Elected representatives told they can’t meet with barrister commissioned to investigate leaked Labour report – who has said party is not tackling racism and treats other forms as less important than supposed antisemitism
As Skwawkbox reported last week, Martin Forde KC has gone public on the Starmer regime’s lack of response to his report – commissioned originally as part of Keir Starmer’s ‘long grass’ tactics after the leak of a party report exposing widespread racism, fraud and sabotage by Labour right-wingers but one that inconveniently confirmed the leaked report’s accuracy and the endemic racism of the Labour right.
Labour has tried to claim that its national executive (NEC) is engaging with the report and to persuade us that everything is in hand as it should be, with the unsurprising collusion of right-wing NEC members. But the nonsense of this claim has been exposed by one of the elected left-wing members still on the NEC, who revealed that the NEC members supposed to be addressing Forde’s report and his recommendations has been blocked from meeting him:
Black Labour MP Dawn Butler confirmed that this refusal to allow a meeting has nothing to do with Forde’s availability or willingness to meet:
The Starmer regime’s whitewash of the deep-rooted and unchecked racism of its faction continues – eagerly aided and abetted by its media allies, who have resolutely ignored every revelation of the Labour right’s racism, war on democracy and the sabotage of the Corbyn leadership, despite the recent and detailed ‘Labour Files’ documentary series by Al Jazeera.
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The absolute f’ing STATE of them.
They’ll be doing the infants’ class favourite of: Whatever (s)he said I did, (s)he’s lying” next. Bunch of feckin brats.
Please correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the Forde Report promptly commissioned by Keir Starmer just a few days after he took office to look into events that took place entirely during his predecessors tenure and that all the senior individuals whose wrongdoing was exposed in the ‘leaked report’ and which were later in the main confirmed by the Forde Report that Keir had commissioned have now moved on and are no longer employed at Labour’s HQ.
Perhaps you should be redirecting your anger at the likes of Unison where Emily Oldknow who despite having left her job at Labour HQ under a very big black cloud was almost immediately employed by Unison in a very senior role as their Assistant General Secretary.
Isn’t this all a bit late in the day, the processes for tackling islamophobia have already been agreed by the NEC and as for the rest of it see my post above at 5:01pm, what’s the point.
Ask yourself how the delightful Ms Oldknow got her senior post at Labour HQ and why she is now the Assistant General Secretary at Unison.
Trying to whitewash a whitewash is not a good look. Forde stated he had raised 150 measures, none implemented. Return to the stone you slithered from under.
steve hilling – There is only one ‘teeny weeny’ problem with your comment Forde didn’t actually say what you claim he did.
No, Forde actually said he “had urged the party to implement 165 [NB NOT 150} recommendations, many of which the party says it has put in place. But Forde claims Labour’s lack of debate and engagement over his findings indicates wider issues.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/17/labour-accused-still-not-engaging-hierarchy-racism-claims
You will note, sherelock, that in this piece what Forde did NOT say was that the Party had implemented any or all of these recommendations. That is a claim made by the Labour Party which Forde as author of the recommendations cannot verify as no one will talk to him. To quote Forde again:
““Anti-black racism and Islamophobia is not taken as seriously as antisemitism within the Labour party, that’s the perception that has come through.” He added: “My slight anxiety is that in terms of hierarchy, and genuine underlying concerns about wider racial issues, it’s not in my view a sufficient response to say that was then, this is now.”
Forde expressed shock that no one from Labour had engaged with him after he published the report to discuss his recommendations further. “I had limited communications with David Evans [the party’s] general secretary but that was about general housekeeping. I have spoken to a caucus of black Labour MPs in the Commons,” he said, but otherwise claimed he had not spoken to any party officials. ““These are serious debates that need to be had in a respectful context and I just feel there’s work to be done.”
As a consequence, proper social etiquette requires that you, steveH, issue an apology to both Steve Hilling and Brian Precious for falsly besmirching the accuracy of their statements.
Dave – Apologise for what, correcting an inaccuracy?
Now who on Earth would (allegedly) retire to the Caribbean and take such an interest in British politics?! Does it seem remotely plausible that someone would do so?! You might very well keep abreast of the news and what’s happening in politics in the UK, but posting on a left-wing website every day in practically every thread year after year???
No way José (unless of course yur getting paid a tidy sum to do so).
Allan – So what, what I choose to do with my time is FA to do with you. Do you get paid for counting my posts?
Fifty-nine of the 148 comments at the time of posting!
So how long is your contract for? And just out of curiousity, what is your objective in posting hundreds of comments on here every week, week after week after week?
Allan – I’ve told you this before, it’s to give you some purpose in life counting my posts how else would you occupy yourself in the early hours of the morning. It’s good to see you’re back to doing what you do best. Don’t you think it would be rude to ignore all those who respond to my comments.
So you concede eight months after Forde published his report that none of the recommendations have been implemented.
Thanks for clearing that up steveH.
Dave – Not at all, where did you pluck that silly idea from?
The “inaccuracy” [NOTE: SINGULAR, NOT PLURAL] you claim to to have corrected, steveH, can only logically be the inaccuracy between steve hilling’s claim of 150 recommendations in the Forde Report and the actual 165 recommendations.
As you made no effort whatsoever – because you are a bone idle waster – to claim the other element of steve hilling’s post of 09:44 am 21/03/2023 that the recommendations have not been implemented is incorrect or inaccurate it is more than reasonable, given your record of contradicting everything and everyone who does not live in your delusional fantasy world, to conclude that you concede this element of steve hilling’s post – which Forde himself has confirmed he cannot verify – is wholly accurate and correct.
Moreover, your own claim that the recent document you cut and pasted from Labour list is only a few days old clearly implies that the recommendations of Forde have yet to implemented througout the organisation.
You are welcome.
PS: You are not very good at this are you.
Dave – You really do need to get over yourself.
Yes it is an outright and deliberate lie on your part steveH.
The way in which such organisational processes operate in any organisation is that the Working Group – in this case the Forde Working Group – is a sub-group of the NEC. It reports to the NEC and is answerable to it.
The Forde Working Group – or any working Group within such a hierarchical structure – is not a stand alone entity wholly separate from the higher Committee – in this case the LP NEC. Regardless of its make up. ie whether it is made up entirely of NEC members or a mixture of NEC and non-NEC members.
The NEC as the higher organisational authority is, therefore, ultimately the higher authority. Jess Barnard’s tweet tells us that as the NEC are the higher authority within the organisational structure to which the Working Group (Forde) report to and are answerable to they – the NEC as the higher organisational authority – have told this sub-group of the NEC they cannot meet with Forde.
Check the rules and Standing Orders if you want. You will find this to be the case. Simply because that is how all organisational structures and processes operate.
Your question in regard to criticisms of the way Islamaphobia have supposedly been dealt with would be better directed at those who have criticised that proceess:
A. As a result of their continued negative experience. Some of which are contained in links already supplied to you which you have conceded you cannot be arsed to engage with. Probably because it does not fit with your increasingly desperate and delusional fantasies.
B. Forde himself and his Team who have expressed the critiques I am merely reiterating. Critiques based on the fact that the only practical way in which those 165 recommendations can be applied effectively is by the LP – via the Forde Working Group under the Authority of the LP NEC to which that Working Group report to and answerable to in organisationasl terms – working in tandem with Forde and his team as the authors of those recommendations.
Forde has clearly stated this is not the case.
In addition, many other members have raised issues in regard to the poor or non functioning of an effective process in dealing with Islamaphobia – not to mention the anti-Semitism against JVL members who have long complained:
“For the first time in history, Jews are being told they have to be Zionists. It’s a heresy hunt. The Labour Party has been suborned in a battle between orthodox and heretical Jews. Why does the Labour Party get to decide what Jewish values are?” Cushman says that he and others are part of a long tradition of non- and anti-Zionist Jewish socialism.”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/labour-antisemitism-jewish-opponents-israel-targeted
I suggest you take up your question with these individuals and groups – including Forde himself as I, among other here, am merely highlighting and reiterating those criticisms that the process under Starmer is not fit for purpose.
If you wish to publicly continue calling or implying that these people liars on this forum that is your affair and your problem.
And it really is way past time you started to deal with that problem.
Meanwhile, on the basis of the evidence you remain a liar and a fraud.
To order NEC members not to meet Forde is not only outrageously antidemocratic – on which authority is the supreme committee of the Labour Party being forbidden from meeting Forde ? – but demonstrates unscrupulous cowardice on the part of those who have, by whatever means, ordered this. Cowardice in the face of developments they have brought upon themselves.
See my comment above at 9:01pm
Brian – Where is the evidence that they have?
One example of the evidence you seek steveH is in Jess Barnard’s tweet in this article above. Can you not read or are you being disingenuous again – picking and choosing to suit convenience?
You will also see from this guardian article
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/17/labour-accused-still-not-engaging-hierarchy-racism-claims
…..that Forde “expressed shock that no one from Labour had engaged with him after he published the report to discuss his recommendations further. “I had limited communications with David Evans [the party’s] general secretary but that was about general housekeeping. I have spoken to a caucus of black Labour MPs in the Commons,” he said, but otherwise claimed he had not spoken to any party officials. “These are serious debates that need to be had in a respectful context and I just feel there’s work to be done.”
Is that enough for you or do you want us all to run a crowd funder to fly Forde and the LP NEC across to you and shout out the evidence to you though a megaphone?
Dave – Well thanks for confirming that this article doesn’t actually contain any evidence that members of the NEC have been forbidden from meeting Forde. Do you have any criticisms of the processes that the Labour party has put in place?
And that is an outright lie on your part steveH,
Jess Barnard’s tweet clearly states that the LP Forde Working Group were told that they could not meet with Forde and, further, were not told why.
Forde himself has stated categorically that he is having difficulty getting to meet with the relevant people within the LP to work towards implementing his 165 recommendations eight months after the report was issued.
These are the facts you are running away from steveH.
Facts that you cannot deal with and which you have to deny to both yourself and anyone else to be able to cope with the fantasy world you live in.
Apart from being a congenital liar steveH you are also a dishonest fraud. If you wish to pretend to yourself that what has been produced eight months after Forde issued his report represents a serious attempt at implementing his recommendations – in a CONTEXT in which neither Forde himself, nor the relevant LP NEC Committee are permitted to work together – that is your problem.
However, you insult the intelligence of everyone else by pissing on everybody’s back and then telling them that it is raining.
It is, therefore, not just Steve Hilling and Brian Precious you owe an abject apology to it is everyone else on this site for projecting your own disingenuous and disassembling behaviour and approach onto everyone else by continuing to insist it they not you who are deliberately and knowingly lying through their teeth.
You have zero credibility on this site and are therefore wasting your time being here.
To quote from Shakespeare’s ‘Much ado about nothing’:
“Nobody marks you.”
You are an irrelevance. A Poundshop Parolles. A Muttering Mavollio. Full of wind with no substance. Begone boy, you are making yourself look a fool.
Dave – “And that is an outright lie on your part steveH, “
NO IT ISN’T
You are obviously under some sort of misapprehension that the NEC and the Forde Working Group (FWG) are one and the same thing or that the FWG is just a sub-group of the NEC.
This is not the case. The FWG has 15 members of which only 5 are members of the NEC.
You really should make an effort to ascertain the facts before getting yourself all excited and throwing around your wild accusations
Do you have any actual criticisms of the processes that the Labour party has put in place to deal with complaints about islamophobia, or are you just having a rant to bolster your own ego.🥱
When Steve Walker went public about Martin Forde KC being disregarded by his Repot’s commissioner, Sir Keior Trilateralist Starmer, he validated our charge, that Starmer serves a different master than a leader of the Labour Party usually does.
He might not be quite as exalted as the by-Appointment member of the Trilateral Commission himself, but the “master” Starmer servrs is the creator of the billionaires WEF, Klaus Schwab.
We used to call such people “class enemies”.
Worth watching Labour Files – The Forde Response I Al Jazeera Investigations
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tiODoWurA64&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Faverypublicsociologist.blogspot.com%2F&feature=emb_logo
I thought the correct word for those that prioritise the interests of those in other countries above those of their countryman was Traitor.
Regardless It’s not patriotism as I know it.
qwertboi – ” he validated our charge, that Starmer serves a different master than a leader of the Labour Party usually does. “
<b<Really, how precisely?🤔
The Starmer apologists are out in force today, claiming the they have implemented the Forde Report, I wonder whether they had seen the Al-Jazeera interview where Forde himself said nothing has been done to redress the complaints of black and muslim sections of the party. But then we know they won’t bother looking, because they won’t find the evidence they need to sustain the bigotry.
I guess that you all must have missed this, it was published a few days ago on 15/03
https://labourlist.org/2023/03/we-will-not-tolerate-islamophobia-within-labour-as-our-new-handbook-shows/
Here a short extract
Labour is the party of equality and anti-racism, and we are committed to tackling Islamophobia in our party and wider society. That is why a Labour government led by Keir Starmer will introduce a landmark Race Equality Act to tackle structural racism across society. Labour has also taken concrete action to root out Islamophobia within our party by introducing a new independent complaints process – potentially one of the most robust processes in the world – and a new code of conduct on Islamophobia developed with organisations that represent Muslim groups. Labour was also proud to adopt the APPG on British Muslims’ definition of Islamophobia in 2019 and has urged the leaders of all Labour groups in local government to do the same.
Labour simply will not tolerate Islamophobia within our party. To give our members confidence that we will take action against it, we have published a new Islamophobia complaints handbook. This will provide our members with a comprehensive overview of our complaints system and how it works. Muslim members across the country, including our MPs, councillors and Constituency Labour Party officers, have provided input and assistance so we can set out, in clear detail, what Islamophobic behaviour entails, what are the common Islamophobic tropes and how our members can navigate our complaints process. In addition, Labour has already hosted a series of Islamophobia awareness training for party members, led by Afzal Khan MP.
and this
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Islamophobia-Complaints-Handbook.pdf
It says Daz on the side of buses but they don’t sell soap powder.
What counts is action and behaviour not fine sounding words. And in this regard the record is such that only the terminally gullible or a paid shill would try selling this as some kind of panacea.
The only relevant question on the mind of anyone with a working brain cell is which one are you steveH?
Terminally guillible?
Paid shill?
Dave – When you’ve actually read it perhaps you could highlight the parts of this action plan that you disagree with.
Nerve to brain cell……come in. Knock! Knock!. Is there anybody there?
Already answered this question twice now on this thread.
Perhaps the writing was too small?
So I’ll repeat it in block capitals:
“IMPLEMENTATION. SAYING ONE THING AND DOING THE OPPOSITE.”
Jesus wept! Its like having a conversation with a chimp.
Perhaps you could explain why then Starmer hasn’t taken action, where known cases have been brought to his attention, conversely on the flimsiest of excuses expelled members and stopped Jeremy Corbyn from being the Labour candidate at the next election. Need I remind you of Diana Abbott, and Zara Sultana.
By the way, Starmer wrote out ten pledges to win the leadership election, if you still believe, and I don’t think for one minute you do, that Starmer will ever do the right thing, then whatever is written down he will renege on or use to his advantage when it suits him.
He makes his own rules up as he goes along, and his apologists like you know that.
rotzeichen – Precisely what action should he have taken?
Dave – So if we dig behind all the histrionics the essence of what you are saying is that you agree with and support Labour’s action plan and handbook (published all of 5 days ago) but for you the jury is still out on how successful they are at implementing it? I guess time will tell, but at least you’ve acknowledged that it is a good start and an improvement on the lack of action by previous administrations.
Don’t be gormless.
We have had the same kind of promises from this present LP administration on other issues/matters which do not get implemented because the track record clearly demonstrates they do not believe in them and have no intention of implementing them.
Spouting very obvious bullshit which sounds good but which the track record of those spouting it consistently demonstrate never get implemented does not represent a viable option because they have no credibility.
And the polls are starting to show this.
Tick Tock.
“what action should he (Starmer) have taken?”
How about actually implementing both the recommendations of the Forde Report (after all its eight months now since it was submitted) AND that wall of management bollocks text you cut and pasted from Labour List?
If they cannot demonstrate to Forde after eight months that they are actually implementing the recommendations rather than just saying they are and expecting everyone to take their word for it what evidence can you offer, steveH, that this guff from Labour List is more than just words on piece of paper?
Dave – You seem to be a little mixed up, Forde was asked to produce a report, which he did and Labour have acted by putting in place disciplinary processes to address the concerns surrounding islamophobia. Do you have any criticisms of the processes they have put in place or are just arguing for the sake of it again.
No steveH that is not how any serious attempt to deal with these matters works.
Forde, as producer of the report, has a legitimate role in working with the LP to implement his 165 recommendations.
He is clearly stating eight months after issuing his report that no one is working with him from the LP. Instead they are paying lip service. That is the clear implication of the muted frustration he is expressing.
What kind of process fails to work with the party charged with recommending what needs to be done and instead keeps that party at arms length giving them no agency in the process?
The cut and paste statement from Labour List has no credibility without Forde’s involvement. Particularly eight months after the report was issued.
End of.
Get used to it.
Dave – Dave – Have you actually read through these much quoted 165 recommendations, the majority of them could be found in any corporate handbook. What Forde has recommended is quite clear and maybe the NEC came to the entirely reasonable conclusion that they were quite capable of sorting the rest out themselves without having to go to the additional expense of taking further advice.
They seem to have done a very good job of putting the necessary procedures in place to address any islamophobia issues. I’ve yet to see any substantive criticism of it, have you come up with anything yet?
Maybe Martin Forde just feels a bit miffed at not being consulted further but at the end of the day it is the NEC’s responsibility and duty to sort these issues not his.
Don’t forget there is absolutely no compulsion on the NEC to accept and implement every single one of these recommendations. The Labour party may well have legitimate issues with a few of them. As I said above the responsibility for sorting out these issues lies with the Labour party not Martin Forde
Perhaps you should remind yourself who was in tenure as leader when the events that Forde was tasked with reporting on took place. I’ll give you a clue it wasn’t Keir, he’s the one who in response to the ‘leaked dossier’ quickly commissioned the Forde Report and is now overseeing Labour’s adoption of the processes to address the issues that arose during his predecessors time in office. It is also worth taking into consideration that all of the individuals whose foul behaviour was highlighted in the ‘leaked dossier’ no longer work at Labour HQ. (some of them are now very senior Trade Union officials, but that’s another issue for another time)
As I, along with a number of other colleagues, submitted evidence to the Forde Report we have indeed read it several times.
And regardless of your increasingly deluded insistence that it is not the case the facts are that it is, and has been for some time, standard organisational good practice in such circumstances for the two parties to work together in implementing those recommendations.
All you are doing here is continuing to desperately make excuses for an untenable position.
In that regard you come across in exactly the same way as the Cultural Revolutionaries in China at the time of Mao. Always posting the “Dear Leaders” speeches and transcripts; always jumping in to deflect any critique of the subject of your adoration and worship.
When are you going to grow up and join the real world steveH?
Is it any wonder that the party is in the state that it is in when we have the governing body of the party (between Conferences) accepting an “instruction” not to meet with the barrister who investigated and reported on racism within the party. This is clearly a case of the tail wagging the dog.
However I assume the position was agreed following a vote which given Forde’s findings of Right wing racism and given the Right majority on the NEC was shamefully predictable.
” This is clearly a case of the tail wagging the dog.…”
Or a case of a trilateralist agent of the Few destroying a political party of the Many…
Class enemy in my book
Several of us knew exactly what he represented and what he was going to do from day one. We tried telling them but they didn’t listen, and they went ahead and voted for the scumbag. And sadly that included my wife…However she now eloquently admits I was right and she was wrong, and that’s a first I can tell you.
Qwertboi
Don’t disagree
Smartboy, you are probably right that a vote was taken at the NEC and that the majority voted to follow the General Secretary’s instruction not to meet with Forde. Still, I believe that this is an unethical ruling and therefore the order should be actively disobeyed.
I would have expected the Trade Unions reps on the NEC to disregard the order and meet with Forde. Better still, the General Secretaries of Trade Unions should meet with Forde, including those no affiliated to the Labour Party but, members of the TUC
The hierarchy of racism not only affect the Labour Party but, the Trade Union movement too. If the Trade Unions are looking to grow in numbers and expand into recruiting BME and women members they need to look at Forde’s recommendations too and implement them.
I guess the Trade Unions are protecting their white men officials in high positions, the old boy network in charge of the Trade Unions still alive and kicking.
Unfortunately Maria I agree with a lot of what you say but our difficulty is that we ( the Left)cannot claim to uphold democracy and then refuse to comply with a decision reached as a result of a democratic vote because we don’t like it.
We would leave ourselves open to charges of hypocrisy.We must never give people justification for saying – they are all the same , one is as bad as the other . We are not the same – the Left has values of fairness and decency. We must uphold these values and not let ourselves be dragged into the gutter by and with the Right.
Would this delegation of Union officials include Emily Oldknow, UNISON’s assistant general secretary.
Smarboy, I am sorry for bringing it up, but the Nuremberg’s Trials made it very clear than when a ruling is unethical and contrary to Natural Law, we are all excused for obeying it and what is more we should actively resist it.
I know that this isn’t Nuremberg but, when we start making excuses for going along with small breaches in Natural Law, it prepares to go along with whatever, because we need to be seen as respecting a “democratic vote”, when as in this case the vote shouldn’t have been taken in the first place.
Beside, Trade Unions General Secretaries didn’t vote and should be able to meet with Forde if they wish too, the NEC vote doesn’t apply to them.
– Why aren’t high up Trade Union Officials seeking to meet with Forde?
– Why some big wigs in the Trade Union movement are prepared to demobilise workers and put pressure on them to accept appalling deals from the employers?
This “democratic vote” is in fact a subversion of democracy, take it for me I was born under fascism and lived with fascism until my late teens and this is what fascism looks like.
Reply to Maria V
I do understand your feelings about the NEC but once the NEC members entered into a process and voted on a proposal they were bound by the outcome -to refuse to accept it would make them appear, as I said, hypocritical and completely undermine their credibility. Maybe theres a lesson here for next time.
Regarding the Trade Unions the only real sanctions they have is to cut funding – most of them they haven’t done so up to now nor are they likely to given their politics.
Reply to Steve H
Do you mean the classy and ultra sophisticated Emilie “smelly cow pube head” Oldknow?
Smartboy – Don’t forget that the Unions also have a very substantial voting block both on the NEC and at Conference.
Reply to Steve H
Much good the unions block votes will do them – if a motion is passed about an issue and is deemed unsuitable by the leadership it will be set aside (as has happened previously with the pro Palestine resolutions). Surely even you Steve H must be aware that only money talks in Starmers Labour.
Smartboy – Have you conveniently forgotten that Corbyn and his team weren’t above manipulating and denying democratic processes.
Smartboy, THE VOTE TAKEN AT THE NEC WASN’T DEMOCRATIC TO START WITH, AS IT IS CONTRARY TO NATURAL LAW.
Therefore, rather than obeyed it has to be resisted. You talk about open charges of hypocrisy, by whom? may I ask: the right wing of the Labour Party? the Tories? Why should we care for their opinions? What we know is that they would sabotage us and would stop at nothing to prevent us for gaining power. No matter what the left does, it would never change the way they see us, it would never persuade them to stop attacking us.
No so long ago the right of the Labour Party engaged in the “Constructive ambiguity” over Brexit. Unlike the vote taken by the NEC the vote was democratic, it was the result of a referendum the highest example of direct democracy.
What did Corbyn and the SCG achieve by appeasing the right wing of the LP? NOTHING apart from helping in digging their own graves. We cannot change the right of the LP, the only thing that we can change is how you respond to them.
Hence, from my part as a committed antifascist the left members of the NEC are opening themselves to charges of cowardice and collaboration with fascists. They would have to chose their poison:
-Trying to get on with the right of the LP, carry on behaving like beggars and in the process earning the scorn of people like me.
-Or give to fingers to the right wingers on the NEC even at the risk of been expelled from the LP.
This is the time to stand up and be counted.
Really?
Reply to Maria V
Sorry Maria but I can’t agree with you. What you are suggesting would simply give the Right the ammunition to use against us.
Regarding your comment about Jeremy and the SCG appeasing the Right- they did not appease them – they did the best anyone could be expected to do in the face of a joint establishment Zionist campaign of lies smears and vilification all duly elaborated on and reported by the state broadcaster and the MSM assisted by Southside and the PLP.
I am genuinely fed up with people making this type of comment. Its easy to criticise when you are speaking from the outside 4 or 5 years on but I suggest you try and imagine what it must have been like to be in the middle of it at the time – the sheer volume of hate and venom people like Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott had to contend with every day- the vicious spiteful “colleagues” queueing up to undermine them,the filthy derogatory language they used about them, the deliberate sabotaging of the 2019 election by the same people, the daily death, maiming and rape threats they received from every right wing nutter in the country, their every word scrutinised and the worst possible interpretation put on it e.g. I remember Diane once referred to traditional Jewish costume and this reported as “Diane Abbott says Jews were costumes” -all to the delight of the Labour Right who were hand in glove with the gutter press .
It annoys me that Jeremy and the SCG are still on the receiving end of unjustified criticism by people who post on this and similar sites and clearly think they would have done better themselves. They wouldn’t have -the abuse and hatred directed Jeremy and Diane in particular would have destroyed most people.The fact that they are still standing is a demonstration of their strength and commitment.
Labour has also taken concrete action to root out Islamophobia within our party by introducing a new independent complaints process….etc
Yeah.
Doing well at it, aren’t they? 🤔
Toffee – When you’ve actually read it perhaps you could highlight the parts of this action plan that you disagree with.
That’s an easy one steveH.
The implementation. Saying one thing and doing another.
If I were you I’d find another job. The bottom has fallen out of the snake oil market.
Dave – So are we to take it that you agree with Labour’s action plan that was published all of 5 days ago but for you the jury is still out on how successful they are in implementing it?
Do you have any specific objections to this action plan? (presuming of course that you’ve actually bothered to read up about it before adding your thoughts) What’s your opinion on the new Islamophobia-Complaints-Handbook. (I’ve posted a link to it above)
I said:
Doing well at it, aren’t they?
So what’s your problem, Norbert ? Could it be related to this, perchance??
https://skwawkbox.org/?s=Islamophobia
https://media.tenor.com/1gH6-MjLRZ0AAAAM/were-waiting-angry.gif
Toffee – As I said above. When you’ve actually read it perhaps you could highlight the parts of this action plan that you disagree with.
I read it, soft shite.
Now it’s time for YOU to tell ME how well they’re actually doing?
They’re always telling us how they’ve got antisemitism under control, after all 😙🎵
I M P L E.M E N T A T I O N
They don’t into practice the fine words.
They do the opposite of what they say.
Its like asking someone whether they like motherhood and apple pie whilst feeding them raw sewage.
Anyone with a workable theory of why Cheetah the Chimp is having problems with this basic concept>
Dave – So you agree with and support Labour’s action (published all of 5 days ago) but for you the jury is still out on how successful they are in implementing it?
Oh dear. We are now in pre Janet and John territory.
So here’s a new word:
C R E D I B I L I T Y
– The track record does not match the rhetoric.
– No one B E L I E V E S they will deliver because their experiences and observations are that they speak with forked tongue.
– It is not worth the paper it is written on.
– The only relevant metric here is not agreement/disagreement it is that the T R A C K R E C O R D demonstrates this W I L L N O T be delivered.
And what must be severely butt-hurting for you is that the context of the polls is now starting to reflect that.
Dave – Thanks for treating us to another dose of your entertaining histrionics and confirming what I said above. “So if we dig behind all the histrionics the essence of what you are saying is that you agree with and support Labour’s action plan and handbook (published all of 5 days ago) but for you the jury is still out on how successful they are at implementing it? I guess time will tell, but at least you’ve acknowledged that it is a good start and an improvement on the lack of action by previous administrations.”
Dave – Perhaps you could give us some specific examples that substantiate your claims.
As for the very temporary ‘Tory Budget Bounce’. I’m not in the least surprised that it appears to have very rapidly dissipated.
Labour 47% (-1)
Conservative 26% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 11% (–)
Green 6% (+1)
Reform UK 5% (-1)
Scottish National Party 4% (+1)
Other 2% (+1)
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/
Labour appear have very quickly recovered their substantial and consistent lead. Given that you have already admitted that you don’t have anything tangible to offer the electorate by the way of an alternative to another Tory term then you should be celebrating. I’m much happier now that Labour have a consistent lead in the polls, it is certainly a significant improvement on where they were not so long ago in 2019.
There’s barely a week goes by without some envelope dropping on the doorstep offering to make me a millionaire steveH. Some of them from ‘genuine’ Nigerian princes.
A notion I’m certainly all in favour of.
That does not mean, unlike obviously yourself, I’m taken in by such easy promises.
Talking of which, there’s the bridge I own over in Middlesbrough. Excellent condition. Interested?
Dave – Thanks for confirming what I said immediately above at 4:31pm. No doubt you will now be diligently monitoring the the ongoing situation regarding this and we will be able to look forward to your reports on any digressions from what you agree is an good initiative
For the hard of thinking, like yourself steveH, it is not logically possible to be in favour of something which all evidence demonstrates is never going to happen.
No one is interested in something in theory. Out here in the real world people want results not more meaningless talk.
That’s the problem when you don’t deliver on previous commitments because you are picking and choosing what principles and rules apply to suit convenience.
Blind faith leads in the same direction as a blind alley.
A reality which the polls are starting to reflect.
Tick Tock.
Dave – “it is not logically possible to be in favour of something which all evidence demonstrates is never going to happen.”
So let me see if I’ve got this, you can’t find anything that you disagree with in this action plan in fact you appear to be quite impressed with it. Your central issue appears to be that you believe that it won’t be implemented. If only you’d checked first before commenting you could have saved yourself the effort of manufacturing all that faux outrage effort because you would have seen that it has already been implemented.
steveH,
No. Forde, among others, as author of the 165 recommendations is saying it is not working and clearly (and correctly/accurately) implying that those recommendations are not being implemented.
He is doing so, are already explained to you, on the grounds that he has no involvement in the process.
To make it even clearer for your extremely limited cognitive abilities: the recommendations cannot be implemented in any effective and credible way without the direct involvement of Forde and his team working with the LP NEC sub-Group.
That represents the primary issue he, Forde (among others) is expressing concerns about.
Don’t take this up with those of us who are reiterating the position Forde and others – including members of the LP NEC Forde Working sub-Group – are articulating. Take it up with them.
By all means steveH, if you have the bottle/cojones/balls go contact Forde, Jess Barnard and others who are making this critique and publicly call them liars in the same way you are implying those of here us who are reiterating those evidence based claims and critiques are.
If you think you are right and they are all wrong then don’t waste time bellyaching and mardy arsing about it here like a five year old. Have the bottle to challenge them.
Put up or shut up.
Across Leeds two clps that I know about have lost hundreds of Islamic members. It started in the first week of Kieor’s leadership when he effectively reversed or rescinded Conference’s extraordinary vote to support Kashmir. Then, of course, the anti-Islamisn implied by the US’s war on terror took over after the Corbyn interregnum ( as you’d expect with a trilateralist in charge).
Yup, locally at least, labour’s losing Asian members.
quertboi,
Just show them the fine words which the chimp keeps cutting and pasting.
I’m sure they will see the light and choose those worthless words over their individual and collective experiences.
………….and yet it doesn’t appear to have had much of an impact on the number of councillors with Asian heritage in the areas surrounding Leeds.
Well SteveH, I suppose a person “buys-in” differently when they categorise themselves as’ professional’ politicians, and also, it would take a special type of courage to resign from an elected position because of the dishonesty and arrogance of the party leadership (especially if the nation’s main news sources *never* reported said dishonesty). The test will be how many of them stand for re-election in years to come. Admittedly though, the people I’m thinking of are ordinary members and activists.
Dave – Do you mean the ordinary party members who before every LA election get to choose who is going to stand as their candidate?
steveH: Oh, you mean this process of ordinary members getting to choose their local candidates which is described here:
htps://skwawkbox.org/2023/03/01/exclusive-you-cant-stand-for-labour-you-blew-whistle-to-protect-women-akehurst-led-panel-tells-cohen/
and here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/02/28/selection-and-executive-committees-of-broxtowe-labour-resign-tover-candidate-stitch-up-yet-another-one/
and here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/02/26/labour-members-pass-motion-demanding-party-stop-rigging-candidate-selections/
and here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/02/12/momentum-staffers-list-of-right-allowing-scandal-hit-candidates-misses-some-of-worst-examples/
and here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/12/20/labour-nobbles-soft-left-candidate-who-beat-rigging-to-win-bolsover-candidacy/
not forgetting here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/12/10/labour-selects-candidate-for-rother-valley-who-quit-over-child-sexual-exploitation-scandal/
and here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/12/04/starmer-pilloried-for-farcical-pledge-to-promote-local-democracy-after-non-stop-war-on-it/
also here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/11/11/exclusive-labours-contemptuous-email-disbands-committee-as-party-stitches-up-kensington-selection/
and even here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/11/28/labour-regime-set-to-rewrite-rules-to-disempower-black-and-asian-members/
There’s even here of all places:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/11/08/tory-defector-wakeford-given-selection-free-pass-only-labour-mp-not-to-face-trigger/
And Oh! Heavens above! Here:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/11/05/exclusive-union-member-of-selection-committee-excluded-from-west-derby-branch-vote/
My word! Its everywhere!:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/11/04/exclusive-video-reveals-farce-of-right-run-west-derby-selection-vote/
Is nothing sacred!:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/11/03/exclusive-while-byrne-locked-out-of-party-comms-right-wing-challenger-able-to-email-members/
and, dear oh dear! Who would have thought?:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/10/30/selection-committee-chair-secretary-and-member-resign-over-labour-rigging-in-camberwell-and-peckham/
I don’t know about anyone else steveH but the only thing you have convinced anyone of is your child like belief in fairy stories.
You weren’t the producer of Jackanory by any chance?
Dave – Should we be impressed by your cut and paste skills. I’ve no doubt that you will be able to read my reaction to each these stories in the comments section of each oft the above (where comments have been allowed). Personally I can’t be bothered at the moment.
Translation: “I’ve got nothing to offer. No argument. No counter evidence, Zilch. Big fat zero. Now’t. I’m running away again.
Signed: steveH – Congenital liar and all round fraud.
Dave – Thanks for your help but no translation was required, as I’ve said above I have already commented on all the links that you’ve posted (the destination page in your first link has mysteriously vanished for some reason)
“no translation was required.”
Only in the sense that everyone on this site already sussed it out.
In the sense that it is useful to have a written record which can be referred to in the future it was merely a public service announcement. Like the special 2013 legislation dealing with Keir Starmer’ s pension increase.
Dave – Have you seen Stark’s helpful contribution on another thread where he details similar statutory instruments for other DPPs
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/03/23/tories-made-a-whole-new-law-just-to-increase-starmers-pension-no-seriously/#comment-241892
steveH, Have you received the bill yet from both stark and myself for doing your homework for you?
To pinch a quote: I “guess” you haven’t.
………….and yet it doesn’t appear to have had much of an impact on the number of councillors with Asian heritage in the areas surrounding Leeds.
Oh, the councillors is it? Those being “tolerated” to maintain their roles, as long as they abide by keefs’ decree and don’t kick up a stink about islamophobia (or anything else)??
How about the ordinary common & garden muslim labour members,
their grievances at best ignored, at worst turned around on them?
And how about the muslim voters in the areas surrounding Leeds??
Unless I’m mistaken, keef (and his imposed candidate – who wasn’t even a member three months prior to being shoehorned in) had a very narrow escape when George turned up to take away the Muslim vote…😙🎵
…In Batley.
Toffee – Like you, I don’t know. But they all had the opportunity to vote.
From what I heard at the time Kim was popular and well respected by party members from right across all the ethnicities that live in the constituency.
Toffee – Do you mean those same Muslim members who contribute to selecting their Labour councillors on a regular basis?
Why do you admire a despicable creature like (meow) Galloway who after he’d been booted out of office by his predominantly Muslim constituents in Bradford after only 2yrs stirred up racial tensions in Batley and Spen to serve his own entirely selfish ends.
It certainly didn’t take the people of Bradford very long to suss Galloway out for the empty self aggrandising tw?t he is, the question is why you haven’t caught up yet?
teveH20/03/2023 AT 6:24 PM
Toffee – Do you mean those same Muslim members who contribute to selecting their Labour councillors on a regular basis?
How many muslim members selected leadbetter to be their candidate? 😙🎵
Try again.
Toffee – See my response above,
Like you, I don’t know. But they all had the opportunity to vote.
But they all had the opportunity to vote.
Yes. And plenty of those Muslim voters mainly chose to vote gallway rather than the smarmer-imposed labour candidate who wasn’t even a party member three months prior.
Which makes them idiots, by your surreal logic.
Toffee – I thought we were talking about the selection process for Batley and Spen’s Labour PPC, Why the sudden change of subject.
I would have thought that I’d made that clear in my previous comments about Galloway. Ask yourself why you weren’t stupid enough to be taken in by him.
Why the sudden change of subject.
There’s no change of subject. The two matters are inextricably intertwined and are not mutually exclusive. There’s no wriggle room on it so don’t bother.
Smarmer imposes candidate. Voters didn’t like it and voted for another candidate.
You mean like here steveH?:
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/11/28/labour-regime-set-to-rewrite-rules-to-disempower-black-and-asian-members/
Two Cheeks
Missed a trick there
Galloway made millions out of libel actions against MSM and Toilet papers over Iraq
He does not understand why JC has not done the same over AS Scam
It’s abundantly clear that the one thing that will always bring Steve H out of his right wing cesspit is to defend Starmer’s and Evan’s factional racism following its exposure. #RedTory
HOW SAD AND PATHETIC ARE YOU?
So sad that I’m weeping tears of blood. Ha ha ha ha ha.
As I said above
“HOW SAD AND PATHETIC ARE YOU?”
Two Cheeks
Red Tories like the real thing are a bunch of lying scumbags, they were both taught by New Labour, spin and bullshit, say owt but your prayers
What is truly delusional is your belief that the public don’t see through them
Now just imagine for one second how Starmer is going to look when he tries to sell ‘Make Brexit work’
I’m no longer a remainer or an advocate of a 2nd Referendum, we won’t be moving closer to the EU, you can trust me, when i make a pledge I keep it
Really
Doug – So you and the other joke faux lefties keep saying.
The polls very accurately predicted the national vote share in 2019 so what is your excuse going to be after the next General Election when Labour are in power? Will you be celebrating Labour’s substantial win and and them implementing their excellent policy platform that will benefit the many, or will you be mourning the Tory’s losses.
I don’t think any of us doubt the strong possibility that Labour – even the vile anti-labour created by a despicable pro-establishment trilateralist – will be in power after the next general election. This is down to the deficiencies/peculiarities of FPTP rather than centrist Labour’s relevancy and appeal.
Doug touches on something very important which will always be PM Starmer’s Achilles heel: Persuading the guardian-reading remainders that he cannot run a second referendum and that Boris’ hard (bad) brexit is a good thing and gets his support.
Two Cheeks
Red Tories will fail miserably for simple reason alluded to by quertboi
They will very quickly be hated by both sides of Brexit, which under FPTP will be fatal
4 way coalition is a good bet
JC’s next move will lay ground for what happens after GE
Why do you all feed it?
Am struggling to think why anyone except a groupie would vote labour right now? Signals both internally and externally is a party that’s stuffed with hubris, giddy on being occasionally better than something quite bad.
Labour Tories and true Tories;
Talk loads
Deliver nothing
Blame someone else
NVLA – ….and yet the polls consistently indicate that Labour will win the next General Election with a substantial majority.
Do you recall what the polls accurately predicted in 2019?
Why do you admire a despicable creature like (meow) Galloway who after he’d been booted out of office by his predominantly Muslim constituents in Bradford after only 2yrs stirred up racial tensions in Batley and Spen to serve his own entirely selfish ends.
For someone claiming to have his finger on the pulse (so to speak)
…I’d like you to dig up a single post of me allegedly “admiring” Halloween
I’ll give you a head start. Here’s just a single example.
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/06/26/galloway-accuses-labour-of-criminal-falsehood-about-his-conduct-during-leadbeater-haranguing-and-video-evidence-seems-to-support-him/#comment-188691
Try AGAIN, Norbert.
Toffee – My apologies if I mistakenly mixed you up with the idiots that do on this column. It’s good to see that we can occasionally agree.
CONGRATULATIONS – WELL DONE – RMT wins major pay-rise for Network Rail workers
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/03/20/rmt-wins-major-pay-rise-for-network-rail-workers/
Without ANY support from keef.
Now, give us all an example of me admiring galloway….
Toffee – See above
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/03/20/labour-bans-nec-members-from-meeting-with-forde/#comment-241667
Toffee, StarmerFuhrer is slipping in the polls….How low can he go?
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 45% (-5)
CON: 35% (+8)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
via
@DeltapollUK 20/3/2023
baz2001 – I’m surprised that you didn’t provide a link to this poll so that people could see the other interesting poll results. Keir has some way to go before his polling results (both personal and party) drop down to the dire levels of his predecessor.
Here’s the link to this polls results https://twitter.com/deltapolluk/status/1637850893772107782?s=61&t=81z5QeCAoa-6c8xnJpAGzw
Heartwarming. Time we got three points. Still a lot to play for mind you. This has got to be good news for the socialists amongst us.
Toffee – My apologies if I mistakenly mixed you up with the idiots that do on this column. It’s good to see that we can occasionally agree.
The “idiots”?
I’ve very little to no time for gallway; indeed the only time I have for him is when he’s up against smrmerists.That said, those posters who do are far from being idiots. It’s attitudes like yours proves irreconcilably that there’s only one idiot on here;
As for any agreementyou think you may have arrived at…
Toffee – You are of course entitled to your opinion, everyone has one,but I still think they were idiots to be taken in by Galloway.
Toffee – You are of course entitled to your opinion,
Gee, thanks, wee plum.
Still of the opinion that members get to choose their representatives/candidates?
As I said, there’s only the one idiot on this site.
Toffee – For the most part, YES.
You’ve accepted your status then.
Toffee,
Having had past dealings with the subject being discussed some years ago I was forced, on the basis of the evidence, to arrive at the following conclusion:
George is either:
a) The most psychically gifted individual on the planet.
or
b) What is commonly referred to as a ‘mole’.
Or maybe he’s just a pompous loud mouth that impresses the gullible.
Both are not mutually exclusive.
However, on the issue of gullibility; as you are the acknowledged expert we will all defer to your very obvious superior experience in that field.
baz200120/03/2023 AT 11:18 PM
Toffee, StarmerFuhrer is slipping in the polls….How low can he go?
Whaleshit sinks to the bottom of the ocean**
**Yes wee plum, it’s just a figure of speech – so before you give us chapter & verse of how organic matter, combined with any trapped particles of gas, may aid buoyancy to prevent the turd from hitting the seabed – bear that in mind.
Toffee – Why would I waste my time. I don’t recall ever responding to your weird obsession with ‘whale shit’ why would you think that I would start now?
Why would I waste my time. I don’t recall ever responding to your weird obsession with ‘whale shit’ why would you think that I would start now?
Errr… What are you doing with that post? 🤦
Toffee – I was responding to your new and rather bemusing addition of “**Yes wee plum, it’s just a figure of speech – so before you give us chapter & verse of how organic matter, combined with any trapped particles of gas, may aid buoyancy to prevent the turd from hitting the seabed – bear that in mind.”
Were all aware of what you were responding to.
But respond you did.
Toffee – Wow! Is that your big gotcha moment
Just one of a surfeit.
Dave – Do you mean the ordinary party members who before every LA election get to choose who is going to stand as their candidate?
Oh dear, you’re just not very good at this are you??
Here just one example from a myriad….Happens to be in my own ward.
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/03/23/new-brighton-exec-resigns-en-masse-over-labours-abuse-and-contempt-for-democracy/
There are also plenty of examples of Corbyn imposing candidates.
But Corbyn…
…ISN’T the leader. And you’re the self-appointed guardian of democracy, mister one-member-one-vote-time-for-PR
Toffee – How clever of you to have noticed. 🙄
Toffee – How clever of you to have noticed
One thing I didn’t notice about Corbyn’s leadership was how many CLP officials were resigning en masse in protest at having candidates imposed upon them, with a complete disregard for democratic processes.
The democratic processes keef pledged to hold sacred.
That’s because it wasn’t happening under Corbyn, and if it was, it wasn’t on the wholesale scale we see under keef.
Toffee – Really, are you sure about that?🤔
Quite sure.
https://skwawkbox.org/?s=Clp
How many of the resignations involve Corbyn’s leadership?
And how many NCVs and motions did Corbyn face?
Be SURE to answer, wontcha?
I think SteveH has way too much time on his hands. When the Labour Party glibly declares “Stronger together” it clearly doesn’t mean if you are the wrong sort of Jew (socialist, pro-Palestine), wrong sort of voter (endorsed a Green Party tweet before), or a KC formerly employed by the Party to investigate it. Zionists however, using violence to colonise other people’s land – i.e. terrorism – are welcome with open arms! Whichever party you vote for in the UK now, Friends of Israel will form the government.
Dave – Thanks for your contribution, you’re right I do have time on my hands and most of the time I also have the luxury and freedom of being able to do whatever I choose with it.
And yet you have nothing better to do than to come on here and spout your shite.
A fine endorsement of the ambitions for a retirement to a Caribbean idyll, I don’t think.
That is, of course, if you actually are there, Walter.
Toffee ….and yet you’re the one with the weird obsession about where I live.🤔
Says the beaut that never shuts up about where he’s supposed to be and the (Walter Mitty) life he leads.
(How many schools “headhunted”you, again?)
Strange, how you seem to break news first – on an uncannily regular basis – from your Caribbean hidey-hole, usually before it’s broke in the UK. 😙🎵
Strange, how you can subscribe to itv-x when it isn’t available overseas without the use of a VPN. 😙🎵
You might fool others, Walter. You don’t fool me.
Toffee – Says the beaut that never shuts up about where he’s supposed to be and the (Walter Mitty) life he leads.
I find that is usually other people that bring it up, you being a case in point.
(How many schools “headhunted”you, again?)
None that I’m aware of
Strange, how you seem to break news first – on an uncannily regular basis – from your Caribbean hidey-hole, usually before it’s broke in the UK. 😙🎵
You do know that the internet is a worldwide thing
Strange, how you can subscribe to itv-x when it isn’t available overseas without the use of a VPN. 😙🎵
It’s not my fault that you can’t work out how I do it
You might fool others, Walter. You don’t fool me.
….and the reason I would care is? You’re the one with the weird obsession.
I find that is usually other people that bring it up, you being a case in point.
And I find you bring it up as some sort of attempt at demonstrating your self-appointed superiority. As you claim to be on the Caribbean the question is why the absolute fuck you persist in pontificating the supposed virtues of keef to people actually suffering the pricks tenure here in blighty and your general involvement in UK politics whatsoever.
None that I’m aware of
The answer’s three.
You do know that the internet is a worldwide thing
Yes I do. And you breaking stories all the time when you ought to be enjoying your alleged retirement on the Caribbean is testament to what a sad creature you are. Those goats been fed?
It’s not my fault that you can’t work out how I do it
It’s up to you to tell us for the sake of transparency.
….and the reason I would care is? You’re the one with the weird obsession
From the beaut who constantly whinges about being trolled – after posting that you find going out of your way in order to elicit the responses you get as “entertaining” .
Gobshite.
Toffee – You’re the one that is following me around trying to get my attention by writing essays full of childish expletives.As I’ve said before,you remind me of a needy stray.
What I DO do is call you out on your total bullshit, plums. And you never desist; therefore I WILL call you out on it whenever posted (And that’s just about every post you make).
I noticed you didn’t deign or dare to answer how many NCV’s Corbyn faced. Or how many CLP officers resigned in protest at the lack of democracy in the party.
And I don’t recall Corbyn proscribing organisations/ factions and retrospectively excommunicating people from the party for having had the most tenuous of associations with them BEFORE said groups were proscribed.
But then again I didn’t expect you to. Because you’re a shithouse.
So, just to recap:
Its taken 8 months since the publication of the Forde Report for the Labour Party to put together another document long on promises which are undermined daily by the experience of not only BAME members but also Jewish members who themselves are being hounded out of the Party by a Junta operating a hierarchy of oppression model.
The same people who steveH insists in all seriousness are going to stop doing what they are doing , honest guvnor, cross our hearts and hope to die, on the strength of a document printed on Labour List eight months after Forde issued his report.
Moreover, Forde himself is publicly expressing dismay at not being involved in the process in which his recommendations are supposed to be implemented.
So thanks to steveH for confirming he believes in fairy stories.
Once again the observations made here spring to the front of the queue:
Dave – So you still haven’t managed to come up with any criticisms of the disciplinary processes that Labour have put in place to deal with islamophobia.
He informed us that, as good as they seem, he had no confidence that they would ever be adhered to and implemented. Have to say, I kinda agree with him.
Authoritarian globalists like Sir Kieor are good at saying the right thing when they believe they have to ,but Bad at enforcing anything that doesn’t’ serve an immediate need – the 10 Pledges for example.
qwertboi – Who informed us of what and who and what did you believe.
Did you not see that Keir and the NEC have already published and put these procedures in place or did you just choose to ignore this inconvenient truth because it doesn’t fit with your anti-Labour narrative, please feel free to check it out on Labour’s website.
Given your ‘heartfelt’ concerns about this subject and so that we can compare and contrast their respective actions. perhaps you could give us the benefit of your ‘knowledge’ and detail what Jeremy did to combat any islamophobia in the party during the nearly 5yrs that he was in office
Two Cheeks
Can you see a comparison with the report into the Met Police and Starmers Red Tory party
The corpse of the Labour Party is rotting from the head down
Doug – Not at all, I’ve absolutely no idea where you got that idea from. Perhaps you could clarify what you are ‘asserting’ by giving some specific examples preferably with links to your supporting evidence.
qwertboi – “Point is, there was no perception of Islamophobia in Labour until Starmer. “
Really, that’s strange, Do you mean like the claims that there was no perception of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party before Corbyn became leader?
I don’t have any ‘heartfelt’ concerns on the subject of Islamophobia in Labour , sorry. I do feel disgust though and yet more validation at leaving for as long as the likes of Sir Eeyore, sorry Keior, remain in strength.
Point is, there was no perception of Islamophobia in Labour until Starmer.
Sure, the completely unfounded- and thus illegal – UK/USA invasion of Iraq, the staged September towers collapse in New York and the consequent “War on Terror” by centrist state terrorists masquerading as a US Government facilitated considerable Islamophobia generally, but Labour had no particular experience of it. But when I learn of 390 Moslems leaving Labour locally after Sir Keior lied his way to election as party ‘leader’, and, reportedly, none of them cite Islamophobia as a cause, I wonder what Starmer’s plan is and wonder why the donkey didn’t ensure- if only as a courtesy – that Martin Forde had been informed of the new situation, I feel strong ill–ease.
To get GMO implemented widely the likes of Bauer/Monsanto have to say there’s a food shortage (there isn’t). Starmer uses the same tricks. What’s he up to? Pre-empting an excuse for “losing” so many BAME members? He can’t blame Corbyn anymore.
I trust nothing that man says or does.
qwertboi – See my response above your comment at 1:11am.
Two Cheeks
My point is how easy it is to hate Starmer
Today it’s his gold plated pension
To repeat for the hard of thinking:
Yes. Criticisms have been made about the whole non-process. They have been made by Forde, and others. Examples of which have been provided to you by myself and others on this thread. Criticisms which myself and others have detailed and repeated.
The fact that you cannot be arsed to engage with those examples at the same as chasing around this thread like a bluebottle in a cullender in a vain effort to contradict those criticisms whilst AT THE SAME TIME claiming those criticisms have not been made (as you have done above in your post of 7:30 pm 21/03/2023) reveals a great deal about your mental state.
You are Altogether Andrews and your membership card of the beggars guild is in the post.
https://wiki.lspace.org/Altogether_Andrews
Dave – Could you detail these criticisms that you claim exist.
And Forde is, in muted legalise, saying that is not the case on the basis that as author of the recommendations he has had no part or agency in the process since his report was published eight months ago.
Take it up with Forde steveH if you feel so strongly that he is wrong. Don’t hide behind us – effectively calling us liars – when what you are actually surreptitiously doing is calling Forde, among others a liar.
Don’ be a coward all of you life.
Put up or shut.
Dave – Don’t be silly
A simple test of whether Forde’s recommendations
have been or will be implemented:
Start to introduce JVL Education on antisemitism as
opposed to JLM which Forde criticised.
Well JVL Committee and members have continued to
be targeted by Evans and Co for disciplinary measures –
and what is more a JVL member has been thrown out
of the NEC and then the Party five minutes after having
been elected to the NEC.
Am not sure if Forde has commented on the
unfortunate habit either – of Labour members being thrown
out of Party for “supporting” organisations many months/years
BEFORE they were banned.
Martin Forde’s thoughts on factionalism and the Labour Party’s response to his report we’re written up by Katie Neame on labourlist. https://labourlist.org/2023/03/forde-speaks-out-about-factionalism-and-the-labour-partys-response-to-his-report/
I suspect he’d agree with every point you make above.
Ooops, we’re shouda been ‘were. Spellchecker doing a starmer (not wrong but not what was needed).
Off-topic: I’m reasonably certain that Independent MP Claudia Webbe is mightily relieved that the 72 yo pensioner who subjected her to racial and misogynistic abuse, Harmukh Doshi, has been sentenced to 28 months imprisonment and a 3 year restraining order. Words like “menacing” can’t begin to describe the hurt, fear and anxiety that behaviour like Doshi’s causes a person.
I wonder, though, if her relief at being denied the Labour Whip by a trilateralist reprobate like Sir Keior Starmer came close?
Solidarity Claudia.
F absolute and total FS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65050644
Any woman reading that bilge really ought to spam TV reporters to make sure they bring up keefs’ track record.
You can watch Keir’s speech in full here
https://youtu.be/J3JYbV4aoco?t=484
Or if you prefer you can read the full transcript of Keir’s speech here
https://labourlist.org/2023/03/a-britain-where-families-once-again-feel-safe-on-their-streets-starmers-speech/
It gets WORSE: (from that link)
Referencing his own childhood growing up “working class in a small town,” 🤦
Kinell….But wait for it….
He also suggested his party would make it a “specific offence” to groom children for crime
Grooming them for sexual abuse. however…😙🎵
Toffee – “He also suggested his party would make it a “specific offence” to groom children for crime”
I think this is a good idea, don’t you? If not then why not?
“Grooming them for sexual abuse. however…😙🎵”
Really? You may have had a point if this wasn’t already against the law.🤔
Referencing his own childhood growing up “working class in a small town,” 🤦
What’s your problem, he really is a working class kid who’s done well. Compare and contrast the childhood homes of Keir https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/keir-house-768×503.jpg with that of his predecessor Jeremy (see below) whose parents were intellectuals who paid for Jeremy to attend a private prep-school. Keir Starmer has every reason to be proud of his achievements.
Jeremy’s childhood home
https://www.shropshirestar.com/resizer/qZs3hYtSKJVr4Q_oxkRjvb_z8NI=/1200×0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/mna/TVS3OZMEXFBO5FIDJSPOKHKVNU.jpg