Case was due to conclude this week
The conclusion of MP Claudia Webbe’s appeal against her conviction last year on a widely-misreported single count of harassment has been delayed by the presiding judge by more than two months. Skwawkbox understands that the reason given, publicly, was ‘case management’.
Sources close to Ms Webbe said that she was ‘relaxed’ about the delay and was happy for the judge to take whatever time is needed to reach the right decision.
In what many saw as connected to the media incitement and the Labour party’s comments, a British man was arrested and charged by Irish police last November with planning to kill Ms Webbe. The so-called ‘mainstream’ media reported only the arrest of a man for planning to kill an unnamed MP – presumably because to name Claudia Webbe as the intended victim would have led to scrutiny of their role in inciting murder.
At no point has the Labour party offered the MP any support or protection. On the contrary, Labour instantly cut Ms Webbe loose and issued derogatory statements to the media despite knowing that her appeal was in process. The party behaved similarly toward left MP Apsana Begum, with staffers hovering outside the court to announce a by-election but leaving disappointed when Begum was rightly acquitted in what was clearly a politically-motivated case.
At no point does Keir Starmer appear to have said a word either to congratulate Begum for her acquittal or to show solidarity with Webbe against the horrific abuse she has received or the planned attempt on her life. Vile racist abuse toward left MP Zarah Sultana has similarly been ignored.
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Claudia Webb was convicted of a minor offence The reaction of the PLP was disproportionate and was not based on anything other than her Left politics (and possibly also the colour of her skin)
The PLP have made excuses for Right wing sex pests like Brendan Cox, thugs like Wes Streeting who bullied Diane Abbott and Jess Phillips who viciously said she would stab Jeremy Corbyn in the front and fishwife Margaret Hodge who made a show of herself and the party in the chamber of the House of Commons by screeching obscenities and making false accusations against Jeremy Corbyn in full view/hearing of MPs on all sides.
But no such consideration was shown to Claudia whose behaviour was not nearly as bad as that of these right wing MPs in my opinion. Starmer and the PLP saw Claudia’s foolish actions as a golden opportunity to get rid of her while falsely claiming the high moral ground and pretending to be horrified by what it was alleged she had done long before she had been found guilty of anything .
Claudia is now awaiting the outcome of an appeal against that verdict. I hope she wins the appeal but wouldn’t be surprised that even if she is exonerated Starmer and the PLP will continue to behave in a vindictive way towards her and will find another excuse to withhold the whip.
I doubt that many of the victims of harassment would agree with you that it is a minor offence. Surely the difference is that non of the above has been found guilty of a criminal offence in a court of law Because of the obvious sensitivity of the case (it is not every day that an MP is in court charged with Criminal Harassment) Claudia Webbe’s case was heard by Senior District Judge Goldspring, (Chief Magistrate) for England and Wales, who is as his title implies is the most senior magistrate in the country. Like you I haven’t heard (or seen) all the evidence so I am not in a position to pass judgement but I doubt very much that Paul Goldspring would risk his reputation and professional standing by giving an erroneous verdict.
I doubt very much that Paul Goldspring would risk his reputation and professional standing by giving an erroneous verdict.
Oh, hurray for the infallibility of the English legal system, and the infallibility of it’s dispensers of justice 😒
Petty shoplifter, stealing to eat = 6months
Failure to pay TV licence fine = 9months
Questioning a coppers authority = a fucking good hiding AND 2yrs…
Meanwhile…
Far right extremist with terrorist material = told they’re a clever boy and they should read classic literature.
Nonce with thousands of images of kids being abused, repeatedly grooming 12 year old kids for abuse = 6 month probation order due to ‘previous good character.’
Yep, no mistake possible.
Bellend.
Professional standing?
Unless gldspring is a stipendary, his capacity as a magistrate is entirely voluntary.
Ffs knobhead, beofre you come on here going all Perry mason at least check your facts.
Toffee – Oh dear, if only we were all as clever as you think you are. 😏
However I’m quite surprised that you are so dumb that you missed the rather obvious clue in the presiding magistrates job title Senior District Judge Goldspring, (Chief Magistrate) for England and Wales is the magistrate who heard the case against Webbe.. He receives a salary of £154,527pa.
Unlike numpties like you I do check my facts before posting.
Oh, and magistrates aren’t required to have any legal qualifications, neither.
Toffee – and this is relevant in this case because❓
Trust in the Law. The Judiciary are with you in the ‘class struggle’.
Reply to Steve H
The law of the land categorises the offence Claudia as a misdemeanour which is not a serious offence category.
Claudia was suspended by Starmers Labour and condemned by the PLP before she was found guilty of anything. The Rightwingers mentioned were defended by the PLP and 2 of them were promoted by Starmer.
The difference in treatment is obvious and undeniable.
A ‘minor offence’, the court obviously took a different view when they sentenced her to 10wks behind bars suspended for 2yrs plus 200hrs of community service. Have you read what the magistrate said when summing up his judgement and passing sentence. I stand by what I said above, regardless of it’s classification many victims wouldn’t regard the crime of harassment as a ‘minor offence’.
ps: Is there still such a thing as a misdemeanour in English law? I thought that we did away with the distinction between a felony and a misdemeanour in the late 60s
Steve H
A misdemeanour is a minor/ petty offence as opposed to a felony. In this case it resulted in a suspended sentence and community service order.This was a bit harsh in my opinion for a first offence of any sort. I assume this formed one of the grounds for appeal.
I would again point out the difference in treatment ( prior to her conviction) between Claudia her and right wing MPs. Its blatant and unjustifiable by any reasonable standards.
She’s black, female and a Leftie so the knives are out for her.
Smartboy – Thanks for your help but my point was that I don’t think that the concept of there being such a thing as a misdemeanour or a felony exists in English Law.
Unless they’ve brought it back it or I’ve misunderstood the purpose of the following.
Criminal Law Act 1967
1967 CHAPTER 58
An Act to amend the law of England and Wales by abolishing the division of crimes into felonies and misdemeanours and to amend and simplify the law in respect of matters arising from or related to that division or the abolition of it; to do away (within or without England and Wales) with certain obsolete crimes together with the torts of maintenance and champerty; and for purposes connected therewith.
I bloody love our brilliant SkwawBox well done good people.
Did anyone see Alasdair Campbell on TV?
He looked very shifty when they were discussing Putin –
and sort of implied he and Blair withdrew their support when he
“changed”.
No mention of Blair inviting Putin to the UK while Chechnya was a heap
of rubble.
And of course Corbyn’s criticism of Putin at a VERY early stage was
not even thought about ..
Yeah, Claudia is not the right colour for the current Labour Party……
Labour is a racist endeavor.
Oh DO turn it in, wee fella…Not only a shit wannabe keef-style politician but an even worse wannabe keef-style lawyer.
Harassment in this country is a summary offence, not an indictable one
https://lgbtlawyers.co.uk/2021/07/07/summary-offence-what-is-a-summary-offences/
WHAT IS A SUMMARY ONLY OFFENCE?
A summary offence is categorised as one of the least serious offences that a defendant can receive. These types of offences can only be tried in the Magistrates’ Court and cannot be tried by juries. Furthermore, punishment’s for these types of offences are usually not severe, and can include fines and suspended prison sentences
Now, off you pop. Go and scare the local young goats with your bad cop routine, why dontcha
😙🎶
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Toffee – A ‘minor offence’, the court obviously took a different view when they sentenced her to 10wks behind bars suspended for 2yrs plus 200hrs of community service. Have you read what the magistrate said when summing up his judgement and passing sentence. I stand by what I said above, regardless of it’s classification many victims wouldn’t regard the crime of harassment as a ‘minor offence’.
Yeah, so you said.
Well guess what? The coppers think drunk and disorderly is a very serious offence.
So serious, on fact, that they usually mete out their own justice before you even get to the station, nevermind the magistrates court 🚓🚓🤜💥🤛💥👊🤕🚓🚓
NOT Crown court because we don’t trouble the judge with the very serious offence of d&d, nor do we do so with the charge of harassment.
It is NOT considered an offence serious enough to go to crown court.
Nice of you to pretend to empathise with the victims of harassment… Absolutely nothing to do with the fact it’s a left-leaning MP in the dock that has swayed your view though.
And we’ve never seen any evidence of any empathy of concern for the victims of the grotesque inequality ravaging the UK… But then again, you’re not living amongst it, are ya?
Go on…get to fuck out of it. You’re kidding nobody, gobshite.
Toffee – Or more to the point the victims of harassment don’t usually regard it as a ‘minor offence’.
Well said Toffee…..That last sentence was damn near perfect.
Well done to the Toffee.
Though the question is why does a certain neoliberal troll keep posting on Skwawkbox when he has no empathy with socialism and social solidarity? Yes rebutting him – as the Toffee does – is great but why even pretend this entryist is relevant, to debates in a community with which he shares no values?
Peddling ‘dangerous Black women’ tropes has a long ugly history and yes, even at certain times been supported by judicial and medicalised narratives, that doesn’t make supporting this propaganda any less racist (look at the historical stats for disproportionate legal prosecution and mental health committal of Black women).
I think your correct here, he is irrelevant and I suspect his main point of trolling on Skwawkbox is to disrupt debate. There is also the question of whether others are put off from posting by the continual 2 and froing by decent comrades who are engaging with this fool.
johnfrancispaul – So irrelevant that you felt compelled to comment. 🤔
Further to your cut n paste drivel…
Toffee – A ‘minor offence’, the court obviously took a different view when they sentenced her to 10wks behind bars suspended for 2yrs plus 200hrs of community service.
Where’s the outrage when nonce coppers, clergy, politicians, lawyers, teachers, et al, are given LESS for noncing kids or having 000’s of pictures of child sexual abuse?
Where’s your very serious offence concerns, and your cut n paste answers, THEN?
I’ll tell you where….nowhere to be seen.
But hey! Some black lefty MP has committed THE gravest of crimes and we ought to set fire to a cross before throwing the rope over the branch in preparation…
Fuck off and die you godawful gobshite.
Toffee – Where’s the outrage when nonce coppers, clergy, politicians, lawyers, teachers, et al, are given LESS for noncing kids or having 000’s of pictures of child sexual abuse?
Where’s your very serious offence concerns, and your cut n paste answers, THEN?
I don’t recall Skwawkbox writing any articles on these subjects, do you have a link?
I’ll tell you where….nowhere to be seen.
Perhaps you could post some examples of you being empathetic.
But hey! Some black lefty MP has committed THE gravest of crimes and we ought to set fire to a cross before throwing the rope over the branch in preparation…
How pathetic are you. My comments have absolutely nothing to do with Claudia’s skin colour or political ideology. You are the one obsessing about her ethnicity, the colour of her skin is irrelevant as is her political outlook. I have simply pointed out that the crime that she has been convicted of is seldom a minor one in the eyes of the victims.
Fuck off and die you godawful gobshite.
I love you too 😘
All too often the subject matter is changed on this site by posters. I’m guilty of it meself.
But only YOU do it as distraction. I’ve mentioned Westminster nonces on here countless times and you’ve never once chipped in with your worthless shite.
Strange that….or is it? 🤔
The ONLY time you would take the opportunity is if someone from the left was convicted of being a nonce. ONLY THEN would you USE the victims’ experiences to reinforce tour point, as you’ve attempted to do with Webbe, on an instance of harassment
And yes, Webbe not being white makes going after her all the more worthwhile to you because you’re a snivelling little SHITEHAWK masquerading as some sort of voice of reason.
Except you’re just not.
Not only are you a shithouse, you’re the biggest pedant ever to walk the planet, yet when a known and accepted fact is pointed out to you, namely that of harassment being a SUMMARY offence, you decide to use victims and indeed play the victim yourself, you odious fucking nematode.
Get it into your thick fucking skull that Webbe was denied trial by jury due to the nature of the offence.
A SUMMARY offence not deemed serious enough to be held in a crown court with a jury made up of 12 of her peers….Not some fusty arl magistrate ffs.
Nobody….But NOBODY gets a ‘not guilty’ at a magistrates.
Now, desist from making an issue of the seriousness of Webbe’s offence until you make a written acceptance that paedophiles don’t even cop for what Webbe has despite their crime being far more heinous.
Either do it, or prove yourself a racist, leftist-hating nonce apologist.
Your call…
Toffee – “But only YOU do it as distraction. I’ve mentioned Westminster nonces on here countless times and you’ve never once chipped in with your worthless shite.
Why would I want to feed your rather obvious distractions.
Or more to the point the victims of harassment don’t usually regard it as a ‘minor offence’.
Nor do/did the victims of savile… And he didn’t even get charged, for some mysterious reason 😙🎶
Toffee – Have you been listening to Boris again?
Has Boris mentioned it again?
Oh, he doesn’t need to does he?
He wasn’t the first to point out smarmer’s shithousery, nor will he be the last. Now shut up, nonce-non prosecuting apologist.
And just for the record, soft shite, here it is again…
https://lgbtlawyers.co.uk/2021/07/07/summary-offence-what-is-a-summary-offences/
WHAT IS A SUMMARY ONLY OFFENCE?
A summary offence is categorised as one of the least serious offences that a defendant can receive. These types of offences can only be tried in the Magistrates’ Court and cannot be tried by juries. Furthermore, punishment’s for these types of offences are usually not severe, and can include fines and suspended prison sentences
See where it saysLEAST SERIOUS ????
Repulsive nonce apologist pedant. Won’t say a peep about the victims of savile or the Rochdale grooming gang that keef washed his hands of.
But you’ll scream loudest and longest about victims (louder and longer than the victim themselves) when it’s against a black, female leftist MP that was denied the opportunity to state her case in front of her peers because her crime isn’t deemed serious enough for a crown trial.
Except to you, it’s nicking the crown jewels.
You’ll go on about Webbe’s sentence being severe, but say fuck-all about dirty, horrible child rapist nonces getting LESS than what Webbe copped for…And that’s irrespective of whether the nonce was tried at crown or not.
No. We must only consider Webbe’s victim.
Those kids aren’t victims to you. And don’t even attempt to suddenly pretend they are because I’ve shamed you into realising exactly what your opinion actually is.
You’re vermin. The same stock as them. As much use to society as them.
Spot on once more Toffee. You’re on fire.
methinks the sadly sour unhelpful contributor dines daily on a diet of poison and lives behind closed curtains while awaiting a heart transplant. cheer up steveHychuck!
charming64 – You really shouldn’t presume that others share your unhealthy lifestyle.
baz2001 – The only thing that is ‘on fire’ about Toffee is his pants.
Toffee – But as you have said yourself, I haven’t commented on your off subject posts about paedophiles so how would you know what my views are. I don’t recall ever saying anything on these pages that could be construed as racist, do you have any quotes from me to back up your rather desperate saddo lies.
Here’s hoping Claudia wins her appeal, it would piss off New New Labour. If Claudia’s conviction is overturned New New Labour would have to find a new excuse to kick her out of the party.
A point on Now then Now then
He was welcomed into the highest levels of society by the Milk Snatcher, now for anyone to get that close to the Prime Minister and Royal Family then the spooks would have been all over him
Correct, Dougal.
The nonce spent every Christmas (that thatcher was PM) at Chequers, at the arl bag’s behest. The thoroughly disgusting media whore eggwina currie (Friend of Israel, no less) gave savile the keys to broadmoor; that’s as well as freely admitting in it’s autobiography that peter morrison (Nonce PPS to thatcher) was a ‘noted pederast.
But nevermind that – Think of Webbe’s ‘victim’. Think of just how serious Webbe’s crime is, and forget that the rest of Westminster know exactly who these degenerates are…AND say fuck-all about them, unless it’s to profit by naming them in their own memoirs; usually after they’ve snuffed it..
PS.
Apologies to all for engaging the beaut and despoiling the thread, but he really does boil my piss.
Savile fooled a lot of people but not all. He
notably offered Charles and Diana marriage
counselling when their problems became
known!
Charles said he would “give it a go” whereas
Diana said “certainly not – he gives me the creeps!”
I do hope that Claudia wins her appeal but am trying
not to pin too many hopes on it – for the law is
an ass .. and I could give many examples.
While we await the outcome of the appeal we have plenty of time to look at perspectives on other matters.
Here is Patrick Lawrence. Always well worth reading.
http://patricklawrence.us/patrick-lawrence-the-casualties-of-empire/
I have read that goldbach. A great read.
The plot thickens. I’m hearing that Singapore is the only country in Asia to agree to implement sanctions.
If that’s correct, it could indicate that they are starting to realise that they don’t always have to do as they’re told.
….. and this?
http://patricklawrence.us/bear-baiting-as-foreign-policy/