Email is proof – and Starmer must carry the can
Keir Starmer’s defenders have accused Skwawkbox of lying about the email sent by Labour to members begging for cash off the back of Dawn Butler’s principled stand in the Commons.
Butler had rightly called Boris Johnson a liar and refused to retract the word, resulting in her ejection from the Commons chamber – and Starmer had given her no support at the time of publication – unlike his predecessor – although he eventually said she was right four days after she was thrown out, after days of condemnation from Labour members for his failure to speak up.
But while Starmer’s silence was still deafening, the self-inflictedly cash-strapped party sent out an email to members using Butler’s principled stand as an excuse to beg for donations. And Starmer’s bots, drones and sockpuppets said Skwawkbox was lying for exposing it – even though a snapshot of the email was included in the article.
The topic came up last night on Socialist Telly’s political round-up. Here’s what was said abou the desperation of Starmer’s supporters to dismiss the trut – along with footage of one of the emails in full:
What a state the so-recently great Labour party has come to: moral, political and financial bankruptcy, with only the denialism of a few desperate right-wingers and some fake accounts, together with the complicity of the so-called ‘mainstream’ media shoring it up.
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Yep, I got that email too! What a desperate lie to pretend it never happened when surely all the membership have proof it did.
Who pretended it never happened and which bit of “He [Johnson] is a liar, he treats the British public with contempt and we need to be brave in calling him out.
Dawn Butler was right” did anyone find difficult to understand.
What is wrong with Keir publicising Dawn’s excellent performance in parliament and also using it as a fund raising opportunity
Dear Misters and Mistresses Halls SteveHs davidHs SHs Incorporated Caribbean Bolt Hole Branch,
As you are fully aware, DAWN BUTLER stood up and spoke up. Dawn spoke truth to power. Your SIR Keith remained COMPLETELY silent… until he read and heard the widespread overwhelming praise Dawn received. BEHIND the curve, Max Headroom is now scrambling to grab on from behind.
SIR starmer is a low rent fraud⚠️
EVEN anti-Jeremy presenters… not for the first time praised Dawn Butler for describing Johnson accurately. I’ve even heard a few say MORE THAN ONCE – Jeremy would have led an effective opposition instead of Keith’s non-opposition craving to support Johnson⚠️⚠️
Also almost EVERY SINGLE ONE has said – “At least we knew where Jeremy stood, but we have no idea what Starmer stands for.”
Starmer is now opportunistically pretending to care about truth⚠️⚠️⚠️
As you know, SIR Keith has ZERO respect for honesty, ZERO respect for integrity, ZERO respect for justice, ZERO respect for TRUE Labour values and most alarming, ZERO care for anyone without tons of money and influence. Keith follows their instructions to the letter, dot and comma.
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windchime – It was a long read but I enjoyed reading Jeremy’s effusive support for Dawn
Jeremy Corbyn 22 Jul
Solidarity with @DawnButlerBrent
CLARIFICATION – Keith follows THEIR instructions to the letter, dot and comma. “THEIR” being those WITH “tons of money and influence” to direct political choices of the corrupt and easily corruptible.
Interestingly those of the one percent, like SIR Keith, who believe in nothing except “the filthy rich”, are always desperate to anticipate the needs of the “filthy rich”; who then pay comparatively little to get £millions in benefit. Eg, one company allegedly only paid the Cummings’ Johnson Tory regime £12,000.00. They got one of the multi-million pounds PPE non tendered and yet to be scrutinised PPE contracts. Much of that Personal Protective Equipment offered little or no protection.
Yes, £12,000.00 is not “chicken feed” as it is to Johnson with endless children, pole dancers and other people’s wives and partners to fund. BUT £12,000,00 is “chicken feed” for eg Mandelson’s “filthy rich”. Mandelson said he has “no problem with the filthy rich”. The filthier the better for the frequenter of Russian oligarchs’ yachts on tbe Med and elsewhere. Wonder if Derioaska is still entertaining??? Bet Epstein LOOOVED yachting too… seeped like the type.
ANYWAY, as Establishment “institutionalised corruption” goes, that’s one hell of a return for a comparatively small outlay.
The mind boggles re what the Russian Oligarchs received in return for allegedly £40,000.00 to the Blue Tories, in addition to endure their Theresa May…
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What is wrong with Keir publicising Dawn’s excellent performance in parliament and also abusing it as a fund raising opportunity
Jesus wept. What is RIGHT with it ffs? Talk about whoring themselves out, and even then it’s based on a load of bollocks
Reminds me of the life of Brian scene…
“Spare a coin for an ex-leper?”
Toffee – Did you enjoy your little rant?
Starmer has proved himself untrustworthy. He used Brexit to topple Corbyn, playing both sides and now he’s lost the trust of everyone. Remain voters deserve to know if Starmer will make Labour the party that will campaign to rejoin Europe. Members deserve a leader who will stand up and be counted, not someone who keeps quiet for days and then tries to gain advantage from something he obviously doesn’t believe.🇪🇺
…….and this is what Dawn Butler tweeted
·Jul 26
Labour MP Dawn Butler ‘right to accuse Boris Johnson of lying’, says Keir Starmer
https://mirror.co.uk/news/politics/
Me too.
Why doesn’t Lady Pottymouth dig deep for Labour or has she given loads to orphanages?
It’s getting to the point, that my own self-esteem and self-respect require me to leave the Labour party (and only re-join if/when Starmer is replaced by a proper labourite).
Sorry, Doug, I’d like to stay and fight, but this man Starmer’s doing my head in.
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was that a “stay” graphic stevieh? If so, I’m surprised.
qwertboi – “this man Starmer’s doing my head in.”
Why❔ Is that because you sincerely expected him to act differently to his public record❔❔ You believed his leadership promises❔❔❔
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v true signpost: I didn’t expect anything better than the wretched man has delivered BUT I had hoped that before 17 months of his party leadership passed, there would at least be a hint of reistance and opposition from the left. If it’s there at all, it is insustantial and weak.
I suppose, it’s not that I am becoming more disappointed by Sir Keir-Catastrophe Rodney Starmer, it is that I am becoming less hopeful of a left fight-back.
Who needs a Labour party anyway? The four fifths of Americans that cannot afford adequate healthcare and the one fifth that are routinely on the brink of starvation are not worse off than they would have been if the Democratic Party had not sold-out to capitalism-loving neoliberalism, are they?
qwertboi, WE have to do the fightback. we must stop hoping 4 others to do it. stop putting our trust in others. we have to develop whats here already. dump the fixation on known names. remember jeremy was unknown to millions including me. many are unknown until u hear of them. obama was as good as unknown etc etc etc
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ps. to clarify; i’m no fan of obama. his name was referenced solely to illustrating the point that we must free ourselves from ASSUMED “known knowns”.
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@qwertboi
What’s doing your head in, if I may, is probably the lack of pushback?
Truly bizarre, isn’t it. No one has a good word for Starmer or Evans, but nobody does anything about it. And be in no doubt if every CLP did kick up a fuss, Starmer and Evans would be gone.
Even though I am being a total hypocrite, to say this to you, and openly cancelled my membership 13 Dec 2019 but, I would think about that, I seen somewhere that there are still far more UK Labour Party Members than Neolabour Party TORY Members, who would eagerly wave you a goodbye, because they knows as far as votes go, they are screwed, many members who foolishly voted for Apartheid Keith, based on his 10 pledges, feel misled, cheated and scammed!
I have 2 Reasons for not rejoining 1. Giving my Money to The TORIES who Robbed us of a Chance for Change and for a Far Better Britain. 2. I can do far more damage from the outside and still act as a Voter “Member” and join in Activism and Campaigning for The UK Labour Party against and to destroy EVERY Neolabour Party TORY MP/Candidate.
Good Luck with making a difficult decision, you know what is best for you and that is the right option!!
Labour Day Tuesday 5th October
If we all jump together then there’s a good chance we can bankrupt the party
Doug – I thought you’d all left. You’re an indecisive lot aren’t you. I thought that you would have learnt from JC that prevarication isn’t a winning strategy.
The question is will anyone notice you’ve gone. There can’t be that many of you left by now. Is there enough of you to make much of an impact..
SteveH
1 months reserves
When you live that close to the edge it does not take much to tip you over
Whats your advice when dealing with the Receiver,
In my experience if Temporary Embarrassment is in anyway responsible for the misuse of funds then he will have the book thrown at him
Doug – I have yet to see anyone establish that there is any money missing let alone any impropriety.
Doug – There are outstanding debts of over £11million showing in the 2019 Accounts, do you think that these outstanding debts may have had an impact on the current reserves?
“Is there enough of you to make much of an impact.”
Best direct that question to all the candidates who lost votes and seats and struggled to get boots on the ground to campaign in this year’s local elections. Or those in the hierarchy and bureaucracy struggling to keep the finances afloat.
The days of those who do all the donkey work operating as though they were suffering from Stockholm syndrome by wheesting for carpetbagger careerists is over. Whether Party remainers or exciters those you ignorantly and arrogantly dismiss are voting with their feet and working without enthusiasm, if at all. Tools have been downed and there’s bugger all the wormtongue’s can do about it.
At the moment it’s like watching and listening to Fred Kite. Having lost traditional support by ignoring working communities and their needs for four decades and them dismissing their vote by announcing they had nowhere else to go – that worked out well didn’t it – Britain’s answers to Walter Mitty and their useful idiots are now reduced to dismissing and dissing the troops needed to do the business.
Yeah. Right kid. Whatever you say. That’s a winning strategy. You should get yourself an agent mate rather then sitting their in the dark handling yourself ✊.
@Dave good post
@doug it’s the only way, so you may as well do it as a coordinated effort. It’ll give them a taste of what they did to Corbyn with their timed resignations. That sounds satisfying.
That would be a excellent idea Doug…and the but?Starmer was voted in by a majority that bothered to vote.For me that was the last straw.I did my research and Spotted a article in the US on this knight..Along with the refusal to admit his funding made my mind up…obviously the lawyer bit didn’t impress me but I ended up voting for two lawyers Burgon and Bailey.which isnt that difficult being as the Labour party are infested with them.Basically the membership that could vote for that thing made up my mind finaly to go.I am still sad and angry at the Labour party that took so much of my life when I could have been doing something.,but whenever I can I post on all sorts of forums targeting the knight from Surrey and his misfits.I…For an old man thats as much I can do about the worst leader in the History of the Labour party and thats saying something.Hope you and the dog 🐕are keeping well.
SteveH
What’s your definition of reserves you pillock
It’s not like Red Tories don’t have previous, 5 million votes lost between 97 and 10 and if it wasn’t for JC they would have bankrupted the party
Still im sure Temporary Embarrassment can finish the job, if he doesn’t we will
The worst boss I ever had was forced to leave his own leaving do when someone followed him into the bogs and threatened him
He mustn’t have got 50 yards up the road when the pub erupted with a mighty cheer, are you picking up any similarities with your boss
Doug – I don’t know what definition was used by the accountants who drew up these accounts, do you?
I am simply pointing out that if some or all of this outstanding debt of over £11,000,000 had to be repaid then it may have had an impact on the contingency fund.
Do you have a definition of the contingency fund that would negate my point about the possible repayment of outstanding debts.
Your anecdote is revealing.
You are correct querboi ,..ITs okay to say temporary embarrassment but the time comes to say that staying with this bunch of parasites and misfits is more than a Temporary Embarrassment for the majority of the Socialist members who will probably be witchunted out of the Labour party with the label on file forever Anti Semitic and racist.Not a great label for years of service to the Labour party.Younger people need to very aware that being Labour could seriously damage your health and carreer choice especially if the Kangaroo court of the NEC or the Diplock court get there grubby hands on you.
Joseph – The ‘Kangaroo Court’ system that Jennie Formby created and put in place. The one she proudly proclaimed was much more efficient.
Thank goodness this discredited system is in the process of being replaced.
You mean the one which actually made an attempt to tackle the massive backlog of AS complaints left unprocessed by fifth columnist election sabs. with new untrained staff because all the parasites who lied on Panorama buggered off after completely trashing the system?
Conveniently and consistently losing complaints whilst ensuring related ones were fast tracked and processed and then having the chutzpah to falsely steal away with shedloads of members subs courtesy of Britain’s answer to Walter Mitty.
Resulting in only the backlog of AS complaints being properly investigated to the detriment of non AS complaints. Even you couldn’t have polished that turd.
As if it wasn’t bad enough that Keith tried to steal young rashfirds thunder over kids school meals…we get this.
And of course, we have the socially inadequate and morally defunct weasel wee stevie, asking what’s wrong with profiting from someone else’s opposition to the government – opposition that stammer’s meant to provide instantly, and from the front- NOT when he realises he might trick gullible gobshites into handing over their hard earned, so he can pluck splinters from his arse the next time he’s sat on the fence (until someone tells him to hold out the begging bowl because he’s spunked all the reserves; and the rigmarole is repeated)
Next we’ll be hearing why Tories should be allowed to profit from the NHS they’re trying to flog to themselves…
THAT sums up wee stevie and his labour party. Worse than fucking ambulance chasers.
Toffee – Dawn was is a member of the Labour Party so it would be a surprise if Dawn hadn’t welcomed both Keir’s support and the party using her excellent performance in parliament to help raise funds for her party.
Yeah.
Four days after the event Keith pipes up saying dawn was right all along … So give him money so he can sit on the fence until the next time someone provides the opposition he should, so he can ask for more money…. Rinse and repeat and infinitum as nauseam..
Alexei Sayle had Keiths type right down to a tee nearly 40 years ago, seems they’re still at it the leeches…
From 1:50
https://youtu.be/i4ghpm04Z54
Toffee – I think you’ll find it was the next day not 4 days later as you claim
IDGAF how many DAYS it was + It should’ve been within the HOUR.
Small wonder no bastard knows who he is when he lets those he’d rather see the back of, see and do the things HE should be saying and doing.
The man (And I use that term EXTREMELY loosely) is an invertbrate parasite, leeching off the efforts of better, beaver people than he could ever hope to be.
And you admire and extol him for it. So what does that make you?
Better BRAVER people.
(Sorry Dawn and Marcus… Stammer and the careerist Westminster Ponce’s are the rodents, not you. You’re good people)
Toffee – Obviously it makes me someone who doesn’t fall for your play acting. Personally I think that’s a plus point.
Play acting…
From the gobshite that thinks labour are an opposition, and who point blank refuses to explain a single difference between stammerism and conservatism.
Yeah, ok then, ollies.
And coming from someone who thinks it’s perfectly acceptable to attempt to profit from the backs of others’ endeavours without getting their own oar stick in.
The epitome of parasitical behaviour. Endorsed AND encouraged by you. What a snivelling, thoroughly loathesome wretch you are.
Toffee – Says the person who has contributed SFA to the Labour Party for a quarter of a century.
I can’t for the life of me see what is wrong with the Labour Party Leader highlighting and supporting a Labour MP’s speech and using it to help raise funds for the Labour Party. Where’s the problem?
You have been blinded by your irrational hatreds, there is neither rhyme nor reason to your ridiculous nonsense.
I think – you’ll – find, Dawn Butler was suspended from Parliament, on a Thursday.
It wasn’t until the following Monday, Starmer mentioned it, only, in response to a caller, on an LBC phone-in.
His answer was less than unequivocal – unlike his support for the apartheid regime of Israel.
George – “I think – you’ll – find, Dawn Butler was suspended from Parliament, on a Thursday.
Yes and Keir’s email went out the next day (Friday).
In it Keir quite clearly endorses what Dawn said in Parliament.
Given that it is the subject matter of this article I’m surprised that you missed this point.
SteveH 03/08/2021 at 4:50 pm :
Your comprehension of the English language is highly suspect, to say the least.
Where does it say that email was sent by Starmer? It may have been sent on his behalf, by someone else. In fact, in probably was. Some onerous task Starmer had handed-off.
It mentions Dawn Butler twice. Once to ask for money, on the back of her action. Once to introduce the content of the email.
There is no,- absolutely, none – support voiced for Dawn Butler. I’d be very surprised if Dawn had ‘thanked’ Starmer for that mealy-mouthed composition.
As for Apsana Begum, has Starmer, or his Shadow Minister for Domestic Violence and Safeguarding been in contact with her since her ‘Not Guilty’ verdict, on Friday, to congratulate her, or to, finally, offer her their support.
Careful what you say on that last. Apsana has, just, been on C4 News, so, I’m up-to-date with the story.
George – I see no problem with the email, the fact that you are so desperate to manufacture an issue is revealing.
I went to the trouble of watching and recording the item on Ms Begum that you highlighted. It didn’t reveal anything whatsoever that is not already known.
Was there a point to your comment
SteveH 03/08/2021 at 9:17 pm :
‘George – I see no problem with the email, the fact that you are so desperate to manufacture an issue is revealing.’
We, now, know someone’s taught you how to ‘copy and paste’. Would you mind using your new skill, and copy and paste the exact passage, in that email, where –
‘Keir(or whoever the actual author of the email was) quite clearly endorses what Dawn said in Parliament’?
Your lie – not my ‘manufactured issue’.
As for Apsana, you have, wilfully, ignored the personal ordeal Apsana has experienced, over the past eighteen months. Your lack of compassion or empathy, for her, matches, exactly, the lack of compassion and empathy shown to her by Keir Starmer and the Shadow Minister for Domestic Violence and Safeguarding.
Sad to say, you seem to have continued your lack of simple language comprehension – it was a simple question – but to make life easy for you, I’ll repeat it, for you :
‘As for Apsana Begum, has Starmer, or his Shadow Minister for Domestic Violence and Safeguarding been in contact with her since her ‘Not Guilty’ verdict, on Friday, to congratulate her, or to, finally, offer her their support?’
Has her suspension been lifted? Is she, now, a full Member of The Labour Party, again, with the privileges and support enjoyed by all other Labour MP’s – such as Streeting?
I can’t put it much plainer than that.
George – The majority of the email is an endorsement of what Dawn said, for instance which bit of “He [Johnson] is a liar, he treats the British public with contempt and we need to be brave in calling him out.
Dawn Butler was right” did you find difficult to understand.
As for your numerous questions about Ms Begum here is my very clear and concise answer – I don’t know.
You are the one that is claiming to be “up-to-date with the story”, so why don’t you enlightening us all.
Ooops – enlighten
ingSteveH 04/08/2021 at 3:27 am?
Is that an email from Keir Starmer, as you first claimed?
Is that email, the first point of contact, by Starmer – with Dawn Butler, as you first claimed?
If that email is an ‘endorsement’ of Dawn Butler, why is she only mentioned – superficially – twice, in the whole email, as an afterthought. If someone is going to fully support someone’s – a comrade’s – actions, they would need to be much more effusive than that.
To reiterate, the first time Starmer spoke of Dawn Butler’s Parliamentary suspension was – four days later – on an LBC radio phone-in, when the matter was raised by a caller. Other than that – nothing.
In regard to Apsana – ‘I don’t know.’ – is all you had to say, in the first place.
Since you’ve admitted you don’t know, I’ll tell you the answer to the question – no, neither of them have been in contact with Apsana to offer congratulations, nor to offer their support, which for the leader of a political party, which espouses Socialism and Solidarity, is strange, to say the least.
It’s not as though either of them are rushed off their feet, at the present time. They’re both on a six-week Parliamentary Recess, with time on their hands.
Oh, by the way, I noticed you childish jibe at Jeremy Corbyn’s tweet, to Dawn Butler.
‘SteveH
02/08/2021 at 5:34 pm
windchime – It was a long read but I enjoyed reading Jeremy’s effusive support for Dawn
Jeremy Corbyn 22 Jul
Solidarity with @DawnButlerBrent’
That’s more than Starmer has done, and it’s all that was required of him, as leader of the Party.
He hasn’t, even, been able to manage that.
George – Instead of tweeting a couple of words he sent out an email to every Labour Party member that clearly endorsed what Dawn had said in parliament.
In case you’re wondering – I know you’re not – Jeremy, also tweeted his congratulations to Apsana, on Friday, almost as soon as the news broke that she had been found ‘Not Guilty’.
Jeremy Corbyn
@jeremycorbyn
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Jul 30
Congratulations @ApsanaBegumMP
Always knew you to be a woman of amazing strength and fortitude, and yet again that has been proven.
The mark of a true Leader!
SteveH 04/08/2021 at 4:37 am :
Surely, you’re not, seriously, trying to maintain, Starmer sent that email himself? Are you?
Quite, frankly, it looks and reads like the work of an intern(unpaid), who was tasked with the job. The ‘seniors’ in the office couldn’t, even, be bothered to proofread it properly, for the poor lad, or lass.
Friday! Too busy thinking of the weekend! Thoroughly, unprofessional.
SteveH 04/08/2021 at 4:37 am :
Very well, copy and paste the effusive support for Dawn Butler, in that email.
George – https://skwawkbox.org/2021/08/02/starmers-deniers-claimed-labours-email-begging-off-the-back-of-dawn-butlers-courage-was-a-lie-watch-and-listen/#comment-193178
Would you have preferred it if Keir had shown some ‘real leadership’ by quickly tweeting ‘Solidarity with @DawnButlerBrent’ instead.
Are you really so easily impressed by gestures on twitter.
SteveH 04/08/2021 at 5:46 am :
No idea why you’re posting a link to this article we’re, already, on. Unless that’s your idea of copy and pasting ‘the effusive support for Dawn Butler, in that email.’
More effort needed. Are you an intern, yourself?
There was no need to tweet his support. He knows where the cameras and microphones are. He could have slipped it into any speech or interview, without waiting to be asked by a caller on a radio phone-in, four days later.
He didn’t!
*Ad infinitum, ad nauseam.*
(Autocorrect is a bastard and so are parasitical careerist so-called labour politicians who do fuck all but leech of decent people’s efforts)
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/08/02/starmers-deniers-claimed-labours-email-begging-off-the-back-of-dawn-butlers-courage-was-a-lie-watch-and-listen/#comment-193227
That’s shut you up, hasn’t it? Wassamarra, wee fella? No smartarse, sneering answer?
Pffft!
Toffee – I’m sure there must be some gullible idiot out there who is seriously impressed by your act. You’ve become a sad caricature of yourself.
Wrong again bollocks. See, I contributed my vote (against my better judgement) to a party that has mimicked conservative policies in its entire three terms in government.
And when I’d had enough of doing that, I refused to vote for a party that wouldn’t accept its own
twice-democratically elected leader’s socialist policies
And so… The difference between stammerism and conservatism is
Caricature of meself? Pffft! Take a long look at the retard in the mirror, sunshine 🙂
Toffee – So when was the last time that you actually voted for Labour in a General Election?
Were you one of those ex Labour voters who contributed to the losses in the 19GE?
SteveH 02/08/2021 at 9:00 pm :
Chuckle! You – are – a self-awareness free zone, aren’t you?
Well… Come on then, retard?!
Explain to me what YOUR labour party is gonna do for me that the rags aren’t?
Tell me why I should be fucking idiotic enough to PAY for them to shit on me every bit as much as the ‘rags have and continue to do (thanks to Keith’s shithousery)??
You keep tellong me I should be voting for them but you won’t tell me how it will benefit me… And they haven’t told anyone why.
But Keith told us why rats like you should vote for h…and then roundly shat on each & every one of his pledges.
Why should o voyr for someone who reneged one every one of ten pledges in not as many months?
Let’s hear it, genius, or shut your fucking cave for good.
Toffee – Did he really?
Ok…After you’ve told me why we should PAY to be shat on AND WHY we should vote for your party, you can then name one single pledge stammer hasn’t ratted on?
No?
Thought not, twat. May every misfortune suffered by the poorest in society be visited upon you in the hopefully extremely brief time you have left on this mortal coil.
You deserve nothing less for your complicity and arrogance.
WELL SAID
Toffee – Oh dear, how scary are you? 😨
You really should get a grip of yourself, wishing me dead is impressing nobody apart from you.
Goodnight, sweet dreams. 😘
Not remotely arsed who it impresses/abhors, little fella, least of all you. Just as youre not arsed about the fate of those you consigned and condemned to another decade or more of toerag malice
And for good measure, Ill repeat that I wish you every misfortune your shithousery has visited on each and every poor, sick and disadvantaged person to be returned upon you a thousand fold before you croak, wee fella.
The thing that’s REALLY scary is that a lot more of them will probably go before you. You’ve seen to it.
And your arrogance and contempt shows you couldn’t give less of a shite, neither.
As Elvis Costello sang:
Cos when they finally put you on the ground
I’ll stand there laughing and tramp the dirt down
Mr H Hall centrist Dad….Who are you?….You hide behind the banner of aliases to perpetuate lies and propaganda from the knights machine.The knight built his misfits Labour party on one of the filthiest lies this century.The AS scam targeted at the Labour party activists and used to cement lies and fear against ordinary members and vocal members.Youve now after all that deceit and illegality come out again to defend the indefensible once again and perpetuate another lie that the knights shadowy misfits and himself supported Butler.when ejected from parliament.Dawn must be seething that after planning the ejection on the day they go off on a Three month holiday and working the media with precision the knight and his limp wristed team try to climb onto the bandwagon with the usual kak handed amateur approach of a begging letter…Absolutely pathetic and no one is falling for this latest scam targeted at the membership again.Youve just “disappeared” millions of members money siphoned off to where?and now youre in a corner and after trashing the reputation of thousands of members you walk away with millions with the cynical comment….prove it?
Joseph – As I have repeatedly said, there is no evidence that any money has been misappropriated by anyone and yet you continue to make baseless accusations.
It’s just a guess but maybe Labour has had to repay some or all of the over £11million of outstanding debt that is shown in the 2019 accounts.
What is cynical about asking someone for proof?
Perhaps you should be addressing your inability to provide any proof rather than me having the timerity to ask you to substantiate your nonsense.
The farce drags on. Let us not get affronted by those who cannot see that it is a farce, and let us not become aggravated by those who feign to not recognise the farce. The edifice is crumbling and it is the steady withdrawal of support by the electorate and LP foot-soldiers that will eventually compel the wilfully blind to open their eyes. In the meantime, I would counsel that we don’t give them the satisfaction of winding us up.
Best wishes.
Well said goldbach !!! Remain calm and forensic…….
Very true goldbach.I test my blood pressure every week and make a note of the time .ITs hard to see the Labour party being trashed and sickos sarcasm doesn’t help.I will say that hes a glutton for punishment and doesn’t seem to get the message.I still think though its better to have opposition on here …!To have a insight into the misfits must be a good thing and helps to understand the deranged mind of a Labour party centrist.
Did you forget to let Toffee know?
Difficult not to get aerated, when someone who’s already openly and unashamedly admitted he finds it ‘entertaining’ going out of his way to annoy people, continues to do so.
He should not be allowed to spout his utter bullshit unchallenged and unfettered.
You don’t like it when the daily rags do it…. Nor do you ignore it.
Toffee – You are more than welcome to challenge what I say, but you don’t. All you can manage is a stream of inane profanities.
Fuckin Ada….
How many times have you refused the CHALLENGE of telling anybody the difference between stammerism and conservatism?
Or a pledge Keith HASNT broken?
Just WHO the fuck are YOU to preach to to anyone about ‘challenging’ your contemptuous bullshit, numbnuts?
Fucking IDIOT. hurry up and croak. And fuck your moaning about profanities, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a repugnant, self-satisfied CUNT.
Toffee – “he finds it ‘entertaining’ going out of his way to annoy people,
As I recall it, I was referring to you specifically and it was only on one occasion, Why don’t you publish a link to my original comment so that everyone can see the context of this one comment of mine that you repeatedly place so much store in.
I’ve nothing to hide, have you?
Am I not ‘people’ , dick head?
Toffee – When are you going to provide a link to this ‘comment of mine’ that you are so fond of ‘quoting’?
I have absolutely nothing to fear from people reading it, have you?
Is there a reason you haven’t published it yet?
Understand THIS, you prize prick
You’re the one saying you find it entertaining, going out of your way to get a ride off people (whether that means me alone and/or everyone else is completely irrelevant you fucking moron)
And you’re the one complaining about the quality of the response when you’ve got your rise.
Don’t like my responses? Don’t speak to me like the gobshite YOU are.
Hypocritical cryarsing RETARD. I’ve know some fucking dimwits ony time… But YOU??
Jesus wept..
Toffee – When are you going to provide a link to this ‘comment of mine’ that you are so fond of ‘quoting’?
You are EXACTLY the type of imbecile that if aomeone accused you of interfering with kids (plural) you’d come back with; ‘But I only interfered with one”.
Useless pedantic knobend
Toffee – Is there a reason why you haven’t posted that link yet. It would be interesting to see the actual source of all your many quotes.
Toffee – I’m still wondering why you haven’t posted a link these words ‘of mine’ that you continue ‘to quote’. I’ve nothing to fear or hide from others reading what I actually posted, have you?
I’ll refer you to this answer.
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/08/02/starmers-deniers-claimed-labours-email-begging-off-the-back-of-dawn-butlers-courage-was-a-lie-watch-and-listen/#comment-193355
You’ve freely confessed you go out of your way to annoy me personally.
Whether or not that includes others is an irrelevance. There’s nobody you DONT annoy, advertently or inadvertently.
Like a nonce who claims they only molested one child. That’s EXACTLY what youre making yourself look like, you insufferable social inadequate retard. .
Toffe – See my 9:47 comment above
Nah, I’ve done enough without needing to trawl through posts and doing your legwork for you.
You find the post, I can’t be arsed. It won’t do you any good anyway – as has already been explained why several times.
Now I’m off to me pit. I expect I’ll be back on at some pointbintheearly hours to witness you having annoyed several other posters, being the social reject that you are.
Toffee – Projecting your own issues onto others won’t help you.
The elimination of ‘Socialism’ from the Labour Party will turn Britain into a mirror image of America; a one Party State sharing a Neo- Liberal mono culture. The major players are falling into line as new right wing media television platforms are given licences to broadcast & Public Service Broadcasters (BBC & Channel 4) are ever more tightly controlled (see Richard Sharpe). All MSM organisations are incestuous & feed off their own constructed agendas. as the journalists refuse to act as guardians of the 4th Estate & seriously question the establishment. Their function is not to hold government to account, but to manufacture consent. Que pasa Assange & Murray? Freedom of Speech replaced by Fake News; the mono culture of MSM. .
We’ve run many successful Crowd-Funders as UK Labour Party voters/supporters/members/etc! Why on EARTH would we need Thatcher’s Neoliberal Neolabour Party TORIES HQ to run Crowd-Funders for Socialist Causes!?
I know Burton may have one foot just over the Neolabour Party Line, but Still has strong Socialist Roots, if and when Thatcher’s Neolabour Party TORIES start asking for Money be sure to tell them to Fuck Right OFF! That money will vanish in a Flash, “the cause!? What Cause!?”
With a Crowd-Funder WE ARE IN CONTROL and WE DECIDE! Let them have your Membership Money, if that is what you choose, but anything extra set up and campaign for a Crowd-Funder!!!
SteveH 04/08/2021 at 3:27 am?
Is that an email from Keir Starmer, as you first claimed?
Is that email, the first point of contact, by Starmer – with Dawn Butler, as you first claimed?
If that email is an ‘endorsement’ of Dawn Butler, why is she only mentioned – superficially – twice, in the whole email, as an afterthought. If someone is going to fully support someone’s – a comrade’s – actions, they would need to be much more effusive than that.
To reiterate, the first time Starmer spoke of Dawn Butler’s Parliamentary suspension was – four days later – on an LBC radio phone-in, when the matter was raised by a caller. Other than that – nothing.
In regard to Apsana – ‘I don’t know.’ – is all you had to say, in the first place.
Since you’ve admitted you don’t know, I’ll tell you the answer to the question – no, neither of them have been in contact with Apsana to offer congratulations, nor to offer their support, which for the leader of a political party, which espouses Socialism and Solidarity, is strange, to say the least.
It’s not as though either of them are rushed off their feet, at the present time. They’re both on a six-week Parliamentary Recess, with time on their hands.
George – …….and yet this is what Dawn Butler tweeted
·Jul 26
Labour MP Dawn Butler ‘right to accuse Boris Johnson of lying’, says Keir Starmer
https://mirror.co.uk/news/politics/
Coward!
The full story of Apsana Begum’s ordeal. Now you can say – ‘I do know’ – when someone questions you on it :
https://www.socialist.net/apsana-begum-trial.htm