Who knew ‘still unclear’ could be so devastating…
The BBC’s Newsnight and its presenter Emily Maitlis do not exactly have a long track record of destroying Tory figures – but they did on Tuesday night:
No assertion as to the veracity of the Cummings excuses or the sense of the desperate defence of him ordered by Boris Johnson were made – or needed.
Dominic Cummings has to go. His position is beyond untenable.
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This says more about Starmer, the Tory majority of 80 and the 4 years to the next election than it does about cumminge or BloJob.
If Corbyn were still Labour leader there’s no way the BBC would risk being this critical of even the least of the Tories.
Guessing this means Starmer’s already been officially anointed by Murdoch.
In other words, when the two main political parties are on the same page, the MSM can pretend they are impartial!
Right folks
It’s not 4 years till the next GE, more like 12 months
Covid19 + No Deal Brexit = Bankruptcy
It’s the economy ‘stupid ‘
Keir is out if he does not honour manifesto or is at all equivocal on Rejoin
Here’s a few clips from an article in the Metro yesterday re Cummings:
Douglas Ross, the parliamentary under-secretary of state for Scotland, said he could not remain in government after hearing Mr Cummings’ efforts to defend his trip from London to Durham despite the coronavirus lockdown.
In his resignation statement Mr Ross, the MP for Moray, said: ‘I have constituents who didn’t get to say goodbye to loved ones; families who could not mourn together; people who didn’t visit sick relatives because they followed the guidance of the Government.
‘I cannot in good faith tell them they were all wrong and one senior adviser to the Government was right.’
Former Greater Manchester Police chief constable Sir Peter Fahy told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that Mr Cummings’ trip to Barnard Castle ‘certainly appears to be against the Highway Code – it’s not the way to test your eyesight, and put potentially other people in danger’.
Experts at the Royal College of Ophthalmologists and Moorfields Eye Hospital said there was little evidence to link Covid-19 to eyesight problems.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/26/police-interview-witness-dominic-cummings-lockdown-breach-12762197/
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‘Respirators for Palestine – emergency Covid-19 appeal’
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/respirators-for-palestine-emergency-covid-19-appeal/
Bernard Jenkins the PM’s appointee to Chair of the Liaison Committee has really stitched it up to give Johnson an easier time when he appears before them at 16:00 today (for the first time since he became PM). Jenkins has limited questions on Cummings to one 20 minute slot out of the 90 minutes which wouldn’t sound bad until you realise that 20 minute slot will be shared with 2 other Covid-19 related subjects. Effectively bugger all, Johnson has repeatedly proved that he can get away with bluster for such a short time.
The Tories just don’t seem to care how bad it looks as long as Johnson can continue to avoid scrutiny. It does make one wonder what they are really so afraid of being exposed. It is going to be interesting to see what extremes Jenkins will go to, to protect Boris’s arse.
there is a lot of anger among the Tories that the chair of the Liaison Committee, Bernard Jenkin, who was parachuted into the post on the instructions of No 10, has decreed there is no time for questions from the Tory chair of Foreign Affairs committee, Tom Tugendhat, nor from the Tory chair of the Defence committee, Tobias Ellwood.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/fury-mps-just-20-minutes-22089761
It is going to be interesting to see what extremes Jenkins will go to, to protect Boris’s arse.
You’ll be taking lessons to apply to your beloved sir knight then, will ya? Not that he needs your protection; I mean, he’s been an absolute dreadnought up to now, hasn’t he, steve?
Toffee – FFS grow up, you’re an embarrassment.
I’M an embarrassment?! ME?
Hahahaha! This is from the whopper that wholly endorses AND leads the cheers for the utterly impotent starmer, yet claimed to be 100% behind Corbyn ffs.
Lad, you make cummings look almost respectable and halfway believable. It’d surprise nobody if it was discovered he learned to play the victim from reading your posts.
So before you call anyone else an embarrassment it’s highly recommended you take a look at your own duplicitous, cowardly, backstabbing, behaviour then compare it with your mitigating pleas when you’re called out on it, you excruciatingly cringeworthy shithouse.
On the contrary, YOU are but one of several embarrassments round here (Shill-finder General, for example) with No Life beyond stirring up trouble (no, I won’t be giving you a direct quote or a link, before you demand one).
Toffee’s reaction is totally justified
Licketty lick lick….
Given your lack of self awareness regarding your grovelling to and about “Keir” ,you really are in no position to call anyone out for being embarrassing SteveH.Still, it is a common feature of those on the right to thing well of themselves without the slightest evidence to support such an idea.
John – Are you another one those deluded idiots that would have people suffer under yet another Tory victory rather than have Starmer as our Labour PM.
… and you have the nerve to talk about self-awareness.
But those are not the only two options, are they Steve? That’s why there will be attempts to challenge his leadership long before the next General Election.
timfrom You need to get a grip on reality, who do you envisage being able to get 20% of the PLP’s support to challenge Starmer before the next GE.
The reason you lost the GenSec election is because you lot couldn’t even get your act together to agree a single left-wing slate for the NEC.
I’ve spent 30 years trying to put my bairns off supporting Newcastle United,
Failed miserably, it’s in the blood, my 13 year old grandbairn now goes regularly with his mate
Labour party might treat us like shite but it’s in our blood and we have the power to organise and change it,
Unlike our football clubs
SteveH
4 years is a VERY long time in politics! Sam Tarry will be one to watch…
timform – and exactly how is it going to enhance Labour’s electoral prospects if the self appointed ‘left’ continue in their futile and selfish attempts to undermine the democratically elected leader of the party. The electorate don’t tend to be very keen on divided parties.
If Starmer really screws up and is actually challenged for the leadership, then that’s the time for you to fight for your faction and it would also be the time for you accept the democratic decision of the party. A bit of party unity goes down quite well with the electorate
By all means fight for the policies you believe in but fight it on policy not divisive personal attacks. In the meantime Is it too much to ask that we all work together for a Labour party victory. It would be a crime if a selfish minority ruined our chances of a Labour victory again.
SteveH
The electorate don’t tend to be very keen on divided parties.
Indeed. What a shame that didn’t matter to the same backstabbers of Corbyn who now laud Starmer!
timfrom – Given that I have criticised anyone L or R for undermining the leadership I don’t feel I have a case to answer here. I do however find it disgusting that ‘the left’ are now employing the same tactics against Starmer as ‘the right’ did against Corbyn.
timfrom – Unfortunately the self appointed left seem to be following in the footsteps of the RW as far as backstabbing is concerned.
Seeing as the RW are the cuckoos in this particular nest, I’d say they’re only getting a taste of their own medicine, albeit a very diluted one.
Don’t you believe in Karma, Steve?
I do however find it disgusting that ‘the left’ are now employing the same tactics against Starmer as ‘the right’ did against Corbyn.
Oh really?
Well, here’s one for ya. Provide concrete evidence to back up your assertion, or embarrass yourself further.
Ha😂 SH, u spouted exact words of right wing, who were utterly divisive last four years. EXACT words at my CLP Branch Open Selection vote meeting. Despite their EVIL works, YOUR LOT spouted about “working together” etc, to persuade some to vote AGAINST open selection so one of your contemptible lot would dodge scrutiny.
Joseph O’Keefe saw you boast as i did:
“The reason you lost the GenSec election is because you lot couldn’t even get your act together to agree a single left-wing slate for the NEC.”
Your lot are not reformable. YOU belong to YOUR LOT. OUR lot need to learn that once and for all. Dump “reforming” you and YOUR rightwing SIR. And get OUR act together 🌹🌹🌹
signpostnotwindchimes – I’m not the one who’s trying to sabotage the party by any means because you couldn’t muster enough votes to get your own way. I’m not the one trying to sabotage the elected leadership of the party because the majority of the party doesn’t agree with you. You are no better than the RW backstabbers.
You SH, r one of the rightwing backstabbers. And u work so hard, as hard as several combined. All in one office? Isolating together?
Sir Keir of the centrist machine for continuation-of-status-quo politics, not looking good Sir eriK. Not looking good at all.
Let’s see what the marketing-mix new NEC Gen Sec can do with this, how he can postulate a new USP that will produce a 1997 repeat at the polls.
Centrist constipation and promotion of Trilateral Commission neoliberalism, that’s all Keir Starmer is good for.
The recent leadership elections quite clearly show that yours is a minority viewpoint.
Yes, sir eriKs Corbyn-like share of the vote seems very certain. It should make him feel secure and strong. BUT, one third of party membership chose (perhaps understandably) not to vote for any leadership candidate and this is Keir Starmer’s Achilles heel.
He is not as secure as he should be. The appointment of a marketing-mix branding consultant to the figure-head role of General Secretary causes the non-voting members (a mighty third of the party membership) some anxiety. Also, the shift of party-position on Kashmir, his treatment of the leaked report investigation and the failure to acknowledge the rent strike being initiated across the Labour movement causes many members distress as well as anxiety.
Once the MSM and the likes of Yvette Cooper return to their true-form, this lack of support from members will cause his sudden departure – HOPEFULLY, way before the next GE.
qwertboi – Only a couple of small problems – You don’t have a candidate you can rally behind and even if you did then it is unlikely that you could persuade 20% of the PLP to agree with you and even if you could how do you think the membership would react to an unrepresentative LW faction who have undermined the party to thwart the members democratic decision.
Is it safe to say that your dastardly plan is still in its embryonic stage.
”The recent leadership elections quite clearly show that yours is a minority viewpoint.”
Ever the triumphalist; and yet you shit out when fronted with the simple truths. What a ponce.
Had it been a straight fight between slime & Corbyn you KNOW your beloved would’ve been trounced.
You wouldn’t be harping on about ‘minority views’ then would you?? You sad excuse for a piss-poor fifth columnist.
Remember – Even owen ‘ice cream boy’ smith had the bollocks to front Corbyn one-on-one. Your brave knight didn’t even throw his name in the hat until Corbyn was safely out the way.
But then again, the bequiffed, polygonal-headed milksop didn’t even have the backbone to bring damien grope or grant spiv up before the beak when the evidence was slapping him squarely in the grid.
Might’ve done the toerag and establishment image a bit of grief; and that just wouldn’t do, see?
That’s how establishment rats like him roll
Toffee – Had it been a straight fight between slime & Corbyn you KNOW your beloved would’ve been trounced.
There was a poll during the leadership election that asked Labour members how they would vote if JC was on the ballot paper alongside KS, RLB & LN.
RLB’s vote collapsed and went to Corbyn who still only got less than 30% of the vote and Starmer was still the clear winner.
Steve H, so you advocate to unite with racists just because they happen to be members of the Labour Party? To close our eyes to the corruption that they have exposed with their behaviour?
Starmer had a choice to do the decent thing and suspend them pending investigation, since he didn’t I am following the example of the RW of the Party absolutely. So you better advice Starmer to give in to our demands because we are only going to vote for Labour candidates that we approve. Otherwise it is a second instalment of the JLM’s approach, do you still remember how that worked.
Did you believe that Starmer could close Pandora’s box? I hope that by now you have realised that he isn’t going to close it unless he start accommodating our reasonable demands and quickly. The right sabotaged Corbyn, so it is my right to wage open war to their candidate when Starmer promised to unite the Party, and straight away he refuses to suspend alleged racist pending investigation and every single person he appoints to anything (GS, panel for the independent enquiry) are well known for their negative public opinions on Corbyn.
So if they could comment negatively against Corbyn publicly, about how unelectable JC was, guess what? we are within our right to do the same to Starmer, since he isn’t leaving up to the expectations of him uniting the Party.
I don’t give a toss about behaving the same as the right wing. They managed to get the Party leadership back under their control, so if this is what we have to do, we must do it. They have teach us the way and some of us are very far learners.
Tremendous Maria Vazquez 🌟🌟🌟 🌟🌟🌟 🌟🌟🌟
U say it better than i can 🌹🌹🌹
Maria Vazquez – Unfortunately you’ve been misinformed. The Leader of the party does not have the authority to suspend or expel any member. Nor does he have the authority to intervene in HR issues. All issues of this type fall within the remit of the NEC and GenSec
I wonder what Steves paycheck was last month,hes certainly put a good shift in for the knight in shining armour.. God save the Queen?
Joseph – It would be disappointing to discover you are a closet royalist.
Steve H in your reply to Toffee you finaly nailed your right wing colours for all to see In your reply “you lot couldn’t even get your left wing slate together” _Broad church hatred for socialism is the rot that finaly destroyed the democratic socialist labour party..and you were well paid for it no doubt by the establishment knight.All your posts need a health warning for instructions and propaganda from the leadership so called opposition.Nothing remotely for the oppressed from you lot or anything to stop the enevitable destruction.of the Labour party.You should be ashamed of yourself!
Joseph – It’s all very well for you to pontificate from afar, safe in the knowledge that you are insulated from the effects of another Tory government. I wanted a Labour victory under Corbyn and I still want a Labour government at the next GE. Whereas you appear to want to fuck up the chances of a Labour victory that so many people desperately need in the UK just because of your silly & selfish phobia about knighthoods.
You really do need to re-examine your priorities.
You beat me to it Joseph. Saw that bit of SH. It has been saved AND took a screen shot too, for good measure. Belt and braces. We need to learn that.🌹🌹🌹
The pair of you are pathetic.
And you & your SH lot have typical Rightwing “instinct” like Cum cums boy. You lot believe everyone has switched off part of their brains to “give Starmer a chance” etc despite overwhelming evidence for FOUR YEARS. Not 4 days, 4 months. FOUR years ➕evidence of many more years before. A pattern of behaviour. One only need glimpse at Dire’s satanic DPP record. His wicked rightwing pursuit of Julian Assange made it abundantly clear who are your SIR Starmer’s masters. He cannot disobey them. He has served them too long.
Think of it, a few million for the nice Islington property. Planning permission WILL be granted for the Surrey property. Worth a few bob now, EASILY over thirteen million with eventual planning permission. Depending how managed and developed – DOUBLE that. Land banking it’s called … never mind the donkeys.
But SH till then, the donkeys need feeding. So as you well know, SIR can’t upset your lots masters. And in any case, EXACTLY Cum cums … because u r all the same lot, u r sure you are soooo very smart. Smarter than everyone.
Keep going smart boy. After all you MUST please your SIR. Mustn’t you??? Just what will you do with all your rewards SH??? Is it worth it to whore out your soul??? If you have one???
Do you SH have a donkey “sanctury” too???
In stockbroker belt Waverley Surrey❓❓❓
Tell us smart donkey lot man. Tell us.
windchimes – I live in a northern mill town and I don’t have donkey. are you volutering to play the part. On second thoughts don’t bother
Sh it’s really a topsy-turvy world then. You r from a northern mill town. i lived in walking distance from your SIR Stoma’s donkey sanctuary. Hunt is the new MP, used to be Virginia Bottomless. How sad then, that I grieve about the decimation of our mill towns and the disdain for our base. Yet you SH is devoted to donkey “sanctuary” owner SIR Starmer. Odd bunch your lot are. I know some v well, who vote for your lot religiously, people who give vast amounts to donkey sanctuaries… though they also give to human charities AND human sanctuaries.
Do u give to human sanctuaries SH?, it is not your thing SH, it isn’t, is it SH it isn’t. My hunch is this. If u r honestly from a northern mill town – notice u were careful to say u “live in”. But let’s say u were from a northern mill town. There is phenomena re a convert is more devoted than one born into something eg a religion. St Paul and all that. The ZEAL of a convert. Maybe that’s why you are so ZEALOUS for your SIR. And I for Labour heartlands like your mill town. SH it’s just a hunch.
You SH are ZEALOUSLY DEVOTED to my ex neighbour twice. Because after Surrey I lived in Islington like your SIR and your creature WMD Warmonger Tony Bliar. What a funny topsy-turvy world.
ps RH, McNiv, you and the other AHs who never read my post but learn every word, will be asking for my house number, post code, hospital, qualifications and Labour Membership card😂😂😂 Very funny. But admirable the repertoire of methods your lot employ. And our lot??? Struggle to learn. My lot do. I don’t try to avoid painful facts. Understandable. Surry / Hampshire is the haunt of many particular people for obvious reasons. And i too need MUCH more discipline. I’v already said too much. I enjoy the challenge. Tis actually a distraction from the KEY woes of my lot. Your lot to me is a challenge with a precious prize. My lot honestly causes me much heartbreak and puzzlement. So be a love SH. Get your operators to teach you better. Up your game.
I need the diversion. 🌹🌹🌹
”I wanted a Labour victory under Corbyn ”
Then WHY did you stay silent on watson & starmer’s open revolt? You’re a liar – and a shit one at that.
”I still want a Labour government at the next GE.”
You think you’re being clever by casually (But overtly) omitting slimeball’s name from that statement? Nobody’s fooled. Keep embarrassing yourself.
”Whereas you appear to want to fuck up the chances of a Labour victory…”
Err…Hold up just a minute! Remind us what the leaked report said and who was responsible? Because it weren’t the left fucked the last election up PURPOSELY.
Oh no, it was your shower of cowardly shithouses, aided, abetted and positively encouraged by your craven acquiescence. When push came to shove, you did and said NOTHING, you rodent. Don’t even bother to try to accuse others of what your lot have been found guilty of while also trying to point the finger elsewhere for your collective guilt.
And don’t try to play the ‘What people desperately need’ card. They desperately needed a labour government starting from 13/12/2019 – And would’ve had one but for your lot. (See previous RE: leaked report, that your lot are in the process of whitewashing)
Instead we’ve a return to bliarism for the next decade and more. Nice one, dickhead.
The Toffee (597) 27/05/2020 at 2:34 pm
”I wanted a Labour victory under Corbyn ”
Then WHY did you stay silent on watson & starmer’s open revolt? You’re a liar – and a shit one at that.
What open revolt they were simply representing the majority view of the membership. Jeremy campaigned for Remain. If you care to check my history you’ll see that I frequently criticised Watson for his plotting against Corbyn but I also clearly stated that the only legitimate way to remove him from office was as per the rule book. I condemned attempts to bully him out of office just as I condemned those who tried to bypass the rule book to bully him into resigning. All the polling, including the Vote Leave one indicated that the majority of Labour supporters wanted to remain in the EU and/or a second vote. Even Brexit Central acknowledged that the change in policy was voted through at conference.
”I still want a Labour government at the next GE.”
You think you’re being clever by casually (But overtly) omitting slimeball’s name from that statement? Nobody’s fooled. Keep embarrassing yourself.
I think I’ve been quite open about my support for Keir. Unlike you Tory boy I haven’t said that I’d rather inflict another Tory government than allow Starmer to become PM.
”Whereas you appear to want to fuck up the chances of a Labour victory…”
Err…Hold up just a minute! Remind us what the leaked report said and who was responsible? Because it weren’t the left fucked the last election up PURPOSELY.
I’m aware what’s in the report other than as an agrieved member this has nothing to do with me. Keir called for an enquiry and the NEC appointed a ‘panel’ and decided the terms of reference. What you are talking about Tory boy is working against the futures of the vulnerable who need a Labour government.
Oh no, it was your shower of cowardly shithouses, aided, abetted and positively encouraged by your craven acquiescence. When push came to shove, you did and said NOTHING, you rodent. Don’t even bother to try to accuse others of what your lot have been found guilty of while also trying to point the finger elsewhere for your collective guilt.
I haven’t been found guilty of anything. I have no reason to feel guilty about anything to do with politics.
And don’t try to play the ‘What people desperately need’ card. They desperately needed a labour government starting from 13/12/2019 – And would’ve had one but for your lot. (See previous RE: leaked report, that your lot are in the process of whitewashing)
I think I already have, aren’t you also concerned about the welfare of the vulnerable
In which case they will need one even more come the next GE, and yet you want to do exactly the same as the RW in the NEC and elsewhere did to satisfy your own selfish ends.
Instead we’ve a return to bliarism for the next decade and more. Nice one, dickhead.
As far as I am aware there have been no substantive changes to Corbyn’s policies.
squirm, squirm, squirm…
“If you care to check my history you’ll see that I frequently criticised Watson”
Yes – but ONLY to express your ‘disappointment” about the antisemitism bollocks; you NEVER ONCE so much as scolded him over his EU stance.
”I condemned attempts to bully him out of office just as I condemned those who tried to bypass the rule book to bully him into resigning”
You complained about the most prominently-positioned bully within the party being ‘bullied’? Aren’t you a hero?
”All the polling, including the Vote Leave one indicated that the majority of Labour supporters wanted to remain in the EU and/or a second vote. Even Brexit Central acknowledged that the change in policy was voted through at conference.”
And yet NO vote was taken. It was bulldozed through by right wing delegates, themselves VERY questionably selected by those that have the party boxed off – ie you and your bliarite faction. No grassroots vote = no democratically arrived at decision. Get it into your thick fucking cranium.
One member = one vote = democracy.
Scargill had the support of the majority of miners, but NO VOTE was taken to strike. Like it or not, that decision gave thatcher exactly what it needed to break their balls.
”I think I’ve been quite open about my support for Keir.”
What? The one you plead you only voted for because he was best of a bad bunch? Oh that’s right, he’s been democratically elected now despite the circumstances that led to his election. And don’t we know it, seeingas you keep reminding us at every opportunity, but DO carry on…
‘Unlike you Tory boy I haven’t said that I’d rather inflict another Tory government than allow Starmer to become PM.”
Yes. And I also added the reason because there’d be no fucking difference betwixt them – Except at least we’d know where we stood under the toerags instead of your useless, multi-faceted, gutless snide. My conscience would be a lot cleaner for voting toerag than ever would starmer. I’ve also said I’d vote neither of them and would happily see them both burn in hell.
But given the choice, I reckon de pirffle’s the best of that articualr ‘bunch’ so you shouldn’t have a problem with that unless of course you’re a hypocrite? So anyway, do go on…?
”I’m aware what’s in the report other than as an agrieved member this has nothing to do with me. Keir called for an enquiry and the NEC appointed a ‘panel’ and decided the terms of reference.”
Indeed it’s EVERYTHING to do with you, rat. YOU encouraged starmer & watson with your shithousery. YOU even voted for starmer knowing FULL WELL what his game would be. And now you have done nothing but extol his ‘game’ you lying fucking oaf.
”What you are talking about Tory boy is working against the futures of the vulnerable who need a Labour government.”
Honestly? After what you’ve done, you have the brass balls…? The same ‘vulnerable’ as Assange?
Or the vulnerable working class sick and poor that starmer’s selflessly and foremostly rushed to help all throughout his entire career? What a total and utter gobshite. You really are beyond redemption.
”I haven’t been found guilty of anything. I have no reason to feel guilty about anything to do with politics.”
Nor’s cummings. But then again, he too – like starmer – has no empathy or understanding of others’ plights. Next…
”In which case they will need one even more come the next GE, and yet you want to do exactly the same as the RW in the NEC and elsewhere did to satisfy your own selfish ends.”
Say that when it’s actually been done. Not before. I might change my mind. Y’know like you said you might not vote starmer? (and made everybody piss themselves laughing at you in the process).
Then – And ONLY then can YOU call ME the hypocrite. Until then it’s on YOUR toes as YOU have ALREADY given the country a toerag government with your support for reneging on respecting the 2nd ref result . I didn’t.
‘As far as I am aware there have been no substantive changes to Corbyn’s policies.”
As far as I’m aware starmer’s already reneged on the Corbyn policy on tenancies during the lockdown.
As far as I’m aware starmer’s filling the top specs with his cronies without any sort of acceptance by the membership.
As far as I’m aware starmer’s already changed the tone and continues to do so. It’s been almost universally acknowledged.
But you obviously reckon he’ll maintain the status quo regarding policies? It certainly seems that way.
First it was you might not vote starmer – now this.
You’re the only person I know loves being laughed at without wanting to be.
But your last few sentences have undisputably proved – beyond a shadow of a doubt – that you ARE a gobshite, so it figures.
🤷♂️ ……..and?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/27/the-windrush-scandal-tv-drama-people-will-be-up-in-arms-when-they-see-this
Man in “The Unwanted” č Q&A, is dramatised above. Not sure how much the actor will capture the personality of the subject. The subject, despite the most establishment long planned stitch up, since before Clement Atlee, the man showed amazing resilience and determination. Great humour too.
All should see the doc. It shows detailed dirty heartless establishment workings.
Thorough research and prep at showing č Q&A, National Archive Microfiche copies of establishment letters ie politicians etc were circulated. I hope, rather than just get angry, after anger, pause. Think what we are up against. If you feel we can fight a smart fight as i do, share it. If you feel you can’t, please explain your aims. Why do u feel compelled to tell us don’t try?
Establishment determination, wickedness and cruel planning for evils, mean we MUST fight smarter. We MUST learn. Maria Vazquez is on the money re voting strategy. My exact intention too. And we need more than that. Never again expect anything good from the Rightwing ie so called “Centrists”, “Moderates” and other such claptrap names. They are nothing of the sort.
There is nothing “moderate” about approx 60,000 avoidable deaths, Outsourcing everything to the hand-full of international corporations which were convicted of fraud, false accounting etc, SERCO stands out. PPFI, Student fees, Invading Iraq, voting against prosecutions for that, Windrush Scandal, Julian Assange persecution, … the list is endless. No one who associated with any of the above deserve our votes. Vote ONLY for those who PROVE they share our beliefs. Don’t vote for those you hope to “convert”. Anyone for whom SH & Co are DEVOTED, must be “supported” as they supported us. They will NEVER be converted. They have told us so return their type of “support”.
signpostnotwindchimes – Are you hoping for the same level of success as those who stood as ‘non Labour’ left candidates in 2019.
No SH, I am hoping we do everything in our power to return the “support” your SIR & Co gave over the last four years. I’m hoping we be quick and generous. I’m hoping we return what is theirs, multiplied.
ps “we” obviously does not include you and yours SH, it’s clear u r devoted to SIR.
YOUR sir who persecuted Julian Assange and walked out of Jeremy’s shadow cabinet. Your sir who is on team of bad news.
…and yet Jeremy not only invited Keir back onto the front-bench but also gave him a promotion to a cabinet post as well.
Yes SH it’s true. Jeremy did. Puzzled me. Broke my heart. Heart still broken. Your lot accept realities. U pursue your aims no matter what. U break all rules. U pay no price. And my lot repeatedly try to form a “big church”. The greatest people throughout history have all failed with that. But my lot think they can “convert” SHs. The “convert them” and “ignore them” was said to me several times in our “Left” CLP groups. Which incidentally i have never said as the disturbed AH, tries to say. I have reported what our Jeremy supporting groups WITHIN the CLP say. We used to meet physically pre Covid-19z. Even then as now, there are EXTENSIVE exchanges so much so that extra subsets were formed LONG b4 Covid-19.
I am unsurprised at Starmer & Co’s doings. I posted that and voted along with our Jeremy supporting groups against him. Alas i was not present at that pre meeting to urge others not to use their second prefs. So if memory serves, our first choices won first round ie RBL & Richard Burgon. He had wins re NEC č Jo Bird and someone else. But we all know what happened next.
Much of our troubles are due to an inexplicable belief that Rightwingers could be “converted” in adulthood. ➕ a devotion as per yesterdays invite to do an online course of Marx. People who know much about Marx already, invite each other to know more about Marx, while your lot, master the basics of keep hold of our party. Your lot realise that by getting control of our party you can continue preserving what you believe in – the Same old Same old.
My lot??? READ more theory. Be nice. And “reform” your lot to join us in a happy bliss
“do everything” your lot “ask”, “work around” your lot, invite as you say, shafter Starmer into the Shadow cabinet, promote him, get knifed in the front, then whine, there’s nothing we could have done differently, we could do nothing, everything is fixed etc etc etc So accept crumbs for ever from the alter of the broad church. Thats my lot.
Just spotted one of my many errors : ““convert” SHs. The “convert them” and “ignore them” was said to me several times in our “Left” CLP groups. Which incidentally i have never said”
That should have of course been, as the other sentences makes clear:
… in our “Left” CLP groups. NOT in the whole CLP, which incidentally i have never said”
P.s. other than occasional intelligence, it is obvious i have little idea of the right wing’s internal chat and e-traffic. When they turn up to meetings involving ballots, they are SUPER organised to achieve their aims. Ruthless in achieving their aims. Break as many rules as they think necessary, EVEN challenging votes which don’t go our way. EVEN cancelling meetings when it suits them‼️‼️‼️ I kid you not.
Re: ALL my BEGGING, others should read my posts since September / October up to the very last hour of polling for the 2019 GE. And, up to the Leadership election. EVEN BEGGING that Jeremy and NEC should have cancelled that. The right wing would have done just that!
I was begging, and others tried extremely hard too. SH ie SteveH, used endless limp excuses to support Starmer. Others and I, argued STRONGLY against him, with all the time we had. We lost due to 2nd prefs PLUS many who refused to vote at all. WHY❓❓❓
Because, their hearts were broken, Their hearts were crushed. Their HOPES were crushed. They think why bother??? Why bother if they feel their hearts will be crushed again❓❓❓ They can’t be blamed for feeling why bother. I felt hope crushed too, but it is my nature to UN CRUSH hope.
But my heart is broken too. The rightwing DO work with comparatively infinite unified focus on the basics. Their aims are vision free and wicked. But their attitude re the basics are exemplary. FOCUS and WIN.
They have nothing to offer but more exploitation of the many. They work night and day to package and deliver rightwing nothingness but exploitation v well. We on the other hand, have almost everything to offer, but much is lost amidst a plethora of everything. And REMAIN convinced that if we are sincerely convinced together, the whole world is either twitface hunting to find a speech here and a speech there, a report here and a report there about things we may or may not implement OUT OF GOVERNMENT.
We are sincerely convinced that because we are passionate together, others will get our passion by telepathy. Others will gather SUFFICIENT passion and rebuttals to TORY crimes, as the “shill” hunter extraordinaire cleverly suggests.
“Shill” hunter is on a winner, search out rebuttals of TORY CRIMES outside a Daily Telegraph PAYWALL😂😂😂
Can you hear the earthquake??? Thats the thunderous STAMPEDE of the electorate in general and OUR willing 500,000 base in particular, climbing over each other, RUSHING to pay the Barclay brothers, to search out our rebuttals behind a DT paywall. Come and get it ‼️ Labour rebuts TORY CRIMES in Torygraph‼️ Good one “SHILL HUNTER”. Good one. Winning strategy that. Count up the successes of that.
You are good at counting.
Marvellous. People, rest assured, “SHILL” HUNTER STRATEGIST & EXPERT at leading half a million willing members to victory, will bring us more wins. Wonder if he gave our JC that quality advice??? hmmm, oh no, i forgot, silly me, Daily Torygraph, MSM which publishes OUR rebuttals to TORY CRIMES against us… are against us …hmmm yeee s. I’m missing something, but just in case i’m not – GET HELP‼️‼️‼️
Corbyn was too nice for his own good. Not to mention the well documented pressure from many angles. Would the PLP have accepted Starmer being turfed out? No.
And these little sniping comments reveal so much. He’s yesterday’s chip wrapper. A political irrelevance. You’re showing your teeth foxy.
NVLA – So your response to my question is to very gently say that Jeremy lacked judgement & leadership skills. Unlike you I was not being critical of JC. I simply asked if this was such a big deal then why did JC give him a platform. You filled in the blanks all by yourself.
NVLA Starmer walked out. The PLP allowing or not allowing blocking him out is irrelavant. As SH points out accurately – Jeremy INVITED shafter Stoma back and PROMOTED him. If we hide from facts, we are doomed.
Think of it, John McDonald said “work around…” when asked what to do about one disgusting of SH’s lot. McDonald whined painfully on radio “We did everything THEY asked.” = Tories handed our historic win. QUESTION: What’s to gain by repeating that passive approach❓❓❓
No foxy. All we had was Corbyn or business as usual. You know, what you’ve happily got now.
I went without a lot that summer to support Jezza, and I would do it again. Because it gave others worse off than me something good. Hope.
Sadly, this isn’t Hollywood, and one man cannot make all the difference when just about everyone conspired against him. So he failed. I can forgive him. Especially when I judge him by his actions. He tried. And as Roosevelt said, no one knows what it’s like to be there except the man himself. It’s easy to mock from the sidelines.
Have you missed the other posters pointing out your duplicity? Are you that ignorant?
This will be my last reply to you foxy. From now on, your posts will be ignored. Enjoy your obscurity 🦊
You NVLA are sadly more evidence of Labour’s problem. Some like u r possessed like a bunch of mad cats. If i am on the sidelines, the inside must really be a greater concentrated bunch of defeatist. Do u feel u r the only ones who paid heavily in time, money AND putting aside things to support Jezza❓❓❓
Skwawkbox can veryfy my efforts. But i’v never requested that. I just might now as a few of you mad bunch of cats, a few of whom admit they are not members or are leaving, with out an ounce of reason attempt to discourage change. Joseph paying dues from
afar gets slurs too from people like you. Just look at your name, yet you accuse someone you don’t know about duplicity. Funny in a weird way. But that’s why you can join the mad cat basket of those who need not read, approve, reply nor apply. You will for ever be a burden of blind deaf deadweight. Good brain in a deep partial self learned coma. Determined not to learn. Determined to expect the same result from the same failed methods of a lifetime. You are the type who lets your friend walk all through the village with bird mess down their back and breakfast around their beard. Yet you stay silent lest you hurt their feelings. You’re not stupid. You have just learnt to refuse to learn. So go for your new party with people who imagine a virtue even in not learning. Good luck with that. Don’t even tell us how you get on. It is the attitude like yours that handed our victory to the Blue Tories, now the Red Tory Kier Starmer. Pathetic.
NVLA -TFFT what’s with the references to foxes.
”…and yet Jeremy not only invited Keir back onto the front-bench but also gave him a promotion to a cabinet post as well.”
Yeah.
Corbyn also invited owen ‘ice cream kid’ smith back to the opposition front benches AFTER smith had fronted him one-on-one in a leadership contest.
…something oilslick starmer never had the backbone to try. The yellow bastard waited until Corbyn was safely out of the way before throwing his name in the hat.
Sums up succinctly, the measure of the ‘man’ , and his followers.
Oh I’m so sorry to hear about your broken heart signpost, and it breaks my heart that your heart is broken. And it’s ALL that Jeremy Corbytn’s fault for giving Keir Starmer a position in his Shadow Cabinet, and so indicative of his jellied weakness. I mean HOW insensitive can someone be to do such a thing! And what with all these left-wing members in your CLP endlessly discussing theories, it must be very hard for you.
Now why does the term OTT come to mind, or to be precise…. W*W*OTT!
I mean is there really ANYONE that reads skwawkbox who believes this guy is for real???!!!
Of course he’s NOT!!
@Signpost I’m part of the problem? Really?!
I’ll admit that I’m a little nerked by being promised sunny uplands when I was at school (late 70s/early 80s), but I’m more annoyed that their predictions of climate change are coming true. We had chances…chose money instead.
As for Labour. Have the fucking balls to walk away from something that isn’t good for you. At what point has the Labour party enriched all? Seems to me they tend to focus on the same 40% the others do. My dad was Labour 110%. It’s because of him that I knew (he was dead by this point) at 18 that my only choice was a tactical vote to stop the Tories. What a waste of a vote.
Since then, I’ve gained life experience. And the only time I’ve ever seen hope offered by the Labour party was when they put Corbyn on the slip as a joke.
If you want to know what the real problem of the Labour party is, it’s the bickering. As highlighted by this whole thread. We’re busy squabbling over cobblers, and meanwhile people are gearing up to shaft us, again.
If you want to stay in Labour, and keep taking a knee to the balls or a pinch in the face, you crack on. But I’m not going to waste my time or energy on a dead end cul de sac.
The only choices left are either self preservation of you and yours or a fresh start.
Let me know if you all decide to storm the bakery together, I’ve got your backs. Until then, I’m out for me and mine, because clearly, no one else is.
Also be aware that whilst we are being distracted by all this,
“Whilst the current story over Dominic Cummings erupts and boils over around the mainstream media and social media, this government have, in the same week given our agricultural industry away to the Americans, crossed a red-line with a new EU border and are handing hundreds of billions of cash and state assets over to corporations in secret deals – under cover of non-disclosure agreements. The stench of corruption is nauseating if you care to look.“
https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/dominic-cummings-a-cover-story-obscuring-something-far-darker/
And what opposition to this is Labour providing?
“Also be aware that whilst we are being distracted by all this,”
and
“And what opposition to this is Labour providing?”
Exactly.
The LP and most of the so called ‘left’ are playing in the very limited Covid wrestling ring which is enabling cover for all sorts of changes being enacted under the cover of Covid. The ‘left’ is even screaming for more draconian measures and not looking to dissenting scientists, doctors, epidemiologists, other Govs… who needs a far right Gov as a front for major Capital, banking and rentier classes to set up a repressive and dependant ‘new normal’ that is being championed by the so called opposition and ‘left’.
Covid is the only show in town and thousands are dying and suffering not due to Covid but to lockdown polices that must not be questioned unless to demand more repression and loss of public rights and freedoms… the nanny state must look after and spy on the healthy simpletons that make up the general public is the cry from right, left liberal and so called ‘leftists. Dear heavens… still it goes on and on and on.
Tyranny is never good for the general public whatever guise it comes under and invoking confusion, fear and panic is the quickest way to beget a totalitarian regime with (un and mis-informed) consent.
I won’t b downloading their tracing app. 🌹🌹🌹
“The welfare of humanity is the alibi of tyrants” (Albert Camus).
Brilliant timform✅✅✅ I must remember that one. Thanks🌹🌹🌹
I realise most that comment wont read the link so here’s a quote.
“When the people giving us these orders do not follow them themselves, they are not showing themselves to be “hypocrites”. They are showing themselves to be liars. They are admitting they don’t really believe what they’re saying.”
https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/26/the-real-meaning-behind-dominic-cummings-breaking-lockdown/
This is the point I have tried to make in my last few comments.
A most appropriate quote timfrom but most of the ‘left’ seem to read it, agree with it but don’t apply it now, today when a so called ‘new normal’ is being constructed under our noses and outside their Covid blinkers.
Disappointingly, it’s not from The Plague, but Homage To An Exile. And I edited it for extra pithiness. Full disclosure: the original reads “The welfare of humanity is ALWAYS the alibi of tyrants”.
“Whilst the current story over Dominic Cummings erupts and boils over around the mainstream media and social media, this government have, in the same week given our agricultural industry away to the Americans, crossed a red-line with a new EU border and are handing hundreds of billions of cash and state assets over to corporations in secret deals – under cover of non-disclosure agreements. The stench of corruption is nauseating if you care to look.“
From – https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/dominic-cummings-a-cover-story-obscuring-something-far-darker/
Is Labour providing any opposition?
Tea sarah….thanks for the link,always welcome news of the evil these Tory scum get up to whilst our resident knight in shining armour is asleep 😴.Keep posting..!
As soon as the Trilateral Commissiooon billionaires tell our leader their position, we will spring into action. Our NEC Gen Sec will harness the mass-membership and David Rockefeller will ensure the MSM give us their full and ever-increasing support.
I feel sick. GMO malnutrition might make it better.
@Tea Sarah
Thanks for the link, much appreciated.
Totally agree said something similar two days ago. Distraction techniques-blindside the public.
Indeed! Wonder of wonders, last night on Newsnight Emily Maitlis savaged the Tories. Yes, this is not a strange dream I had, it actually happened! And as someone who has criticised Maitlis on countless occasions, I will now give credit where it’s due.
There was nowhere to run, nowhere to hide for dim Tory Andrew Bridgen, who evidently felt like he must have come on the wrong programme and this was a Maitlis look alike, not Newsnight at all. And there was no fudging, no equivocation, but straight down the line dismissal of Dominic Cummings’ pathetic excuses, and likewise scathing criticism of senior Tories and Johnson who have tied themselves in knots to support him and deny that he has broken any rules.
Hats off. It may be a first, but was a very welcome one. Let’s hope it heralds a change of tack for the Tory arse licking BBC, though I’m not holding my Tory hating breath.
NoelS , it’s a nice hope I have to say , but as pointed out earlier in the thread , as there is now no threat posed to the Establishment from Starmers Labour and his barmy army of supporters , then the BBC can revert to pretending to be independent and unbiased in its reporting .
Smoke and mirrors , smoke and mirrors ………..
Which is why we want Dominic to stay
I would also remind them that they were a major part of the AS Scam
thanks 4 sharing that noelstevenson12. Don’t have TV so don’t do even online. Welcome every pressure on our enemies, don’t do like some who kick an enemy when they r kicking our other enemy. Can’t reform them. Use them🌹🌹🌹
”then the BBC can revert to pretending to be independent and unbiased in its reporting.”
This is the second time (in as many weeks?) since slime usurped the leadership that maitlis has got stuck into the toerag line. Then there’s ranvirus singh on Good Moaning Britain, openly and unashamedly gushing about slime’s so-called ‘forensics’. last week…
It’s NO coincidence that both those broadcasters (plus others), along with the dead tree press, are extolling the establishment’s die-hard adherent, whereas Corbyn – who would’ve overseen a sea change within the whole enterprise – was dismissed, openly lied about to his detriment, and sneered at out of hand.
EDIT:
It’s NO coincidence that both those broadcasters (plus others), along with the dead tree press, are extolling the establishment’s die-hard adherent, and gaslighting Joe public into thinking his inadequacy is actually an abundance of talent; whereas Corbyn – who would’ve overseen a sea change within the whole enterprise – was dismissed, openly lied about to his detriment, and sneered at out of hand.
Danny Kruger, a former No 10 aide and new Conservative MP, raised the stakes by telling colleagues in a note that demands for resignation were tantamount to a vote of no confidence in the prime minister.(Guardian)
Let’s hope it disseminates into the 43% and dismantles the propaganda machine, and when
(un)bamboozled become angry they vent it in the direction of the few. They will then achieve an alternative state of enlightenment.
Blojon just told blatant lie 16:40hrs. He claimed no order to discharge patients to care homes. THAT is a blatant LIE‼️‼️‼️
Orders came from above. Staff forced to comply. Obviously odd patients even discharged in the middle of the night. Posted that ages ago now‼️‼️‼️
Blojon 16:52hrs another misleading statement. When asked about TORY BARONESS – Dido Harding – of who i posted ages ago – Blojon described he as an NHS executive or professional. She was Executive of Talktalk. To my knowledge Tory Baroness Dido Harding has ZERO Health knowledge. Zero MEDICAL knowledge. ZERO Virology education. ZERO epidemiology knowledge.
Tory Harding put me right‼️
Johnson HOW can you mislead the public with no pang of concience❓❓❓
I’m not staggered anymore. Can’t describe the feeling. Anyone would think no Tory is aware that we to date we have 60,000 deaths ABOVE averages for past months. How do Tories manage to sink lower every single day???
Want to read some real , for once, journalism that hold power to account then read this !!!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/27/boris-johnson-coronavirus-dominic-cummings
The BBC has said an introduction about Dominic Cummings on Tuesday’s Newsnight did not meet the required standards of due impartiality.
BBC moral high ground – did not see any such comments after the Panorama program.
More likely the threat to withdraw public funding is having an impact on the BBC management .