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Video: know how the Tories excuse delays by claiming they act when ‘the science’ says it’s the right time? Their own documents say it’s nonsense – and earlier is best

Science committee says it’s impossible to know the ideal time to act – and early is best

Every time the Tories are shown to have inexcusably delayed vital actions to save lives from the coronavirus, they trot out some variant of “We acted at the right time. It wasn’t right earlier, but it’s right now. We know that – because science.”

But the official documentation of the government’s own scientific advisers show that claim to be exactly what it looks like: a blatant and totally groundless excuse:

The government document titled “Official: Potential impact of behavioural and social interventions on a Covid-19 epidemic in the UK – 9 March 2020” exposes the Tory bollocks – by stating frankly that it is impossible to know the ideal time to implement an ‘intervention’:

It will not be possible to time [the interventions’] starting date optimally

Official science committee document

And the government’s ‘SPI-M-O’ scientific committee, which advises the official SAGE group recommending strategy to the government, states the obvious: if you don’t know the ‘ideal’ time to intervent, do it early:

Closing schools; imposing social distancing and the lock-down; building PPE stocks; buying ventilators; protecting care home residents; testing and tracing like the World Health Organisation advises and other developed countries are doing; banning large sports events, quarantining passengers from COVID-19 hotspots. All these and more were delayed unforgivably by the Tories – at the cost of thousands of UK lives.

And their excuse is bullshit – say their own scientists.

Just don’t expect to hear this on the BBC and most other ‘mainstream’ media.

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14 comments

  1. “Science committee says it’s impossible to know the ideal time to act – and early is best”

    i.e ‘Cover your back, even when there’s little or no evidence for your actions.’

    Get a grip, Skwawkbox.

    1. Wow RH you really actually think you know better than all those science experts on the committee !
      I think it’s you that needs to get a grip and not SB , remember shooting the messenger doesn’t alter the message .
      Get a Grip Man !

      1. ”remember shooting the messenger doesn’t alter the message .”

        No, it doesn’t. Although laura kuenssberg can change the science…

    2. It’s truly amazing how the hysterical fear generated by a infectious disease which only affects a very small percentage of people of those the vast majority who will die from it are old age pensioners many of whom with a multitude of illnesses such as cancer, emphysema, dementia, heart diseases,Parkinson’s plus a multitude of diseases which killed man long before the arrival of Corona. Yet, the almost frantic fury by the MSM, the State Broadcaster and a variety of organisations with vested interests in international pharmaceutical corporations plus B&MGF try to present this as the apocalypse. Evidence, facts appear to be disregarded as an inconvenience to impose a de facto police state which have not seen discussed by all those, even on the left, who throw themselves into believing the narrative!

      1. AS CJ Hopkins, who has written an article for Off-Guardian, put it in some extracts from it

        ” I’m talking about actual, bona fide fascism, or totalitarianism, if you want to get technical. The kind where governments declare a global “state of emergency” on account of a virus with a 0.2% to 0.6% lethality (and that causes mild, flu-like symptoms, or absolutely no symptoms whatsoever, in over 97% of those infected), locks everyone down inside their homes, suspends their constitutional rights, terrorizes them with propaganda, and unleashes uniformed goon squads on anyone who doesn’t comply with their despotic decrees.

        I’m talking about the kind of totalitarianism where the police track you down with your smartphone data and then come to your house to personally harass you for attending a political protest, or attack you for challenging their illegitimate authority, and then charge you with “assault” for fighting back, and then get the media to publish a story accusing you of having “set up” the cops.

        I’m talking about the kind of totalitarianism where the secret police are given carte blanche to monitor everyone’s Internet activity, and to scan you with their “surveillance helmets,” and dictate how close you can sit to your friends, and menace you with drones and robot dogs, and violently pry your kids out of your arms and arrest you if you dare to protest.

        I’m talking about the kind of totalitarianism that psychologically tortures children with authoritarian loyalty rituals designed to condition them to live in fear, and respond to absurd Pavlovian stimuli, and that encourages the masses to turn off their brains and mechanically repeat propaganda slogans, like “wear a mask” and “flatten the curve,” and to report their neighbors to the police for having an “illegal” private party … and to otherwise reify the manufactured mass hysteria the authorities need to “justify” their totalitarianism.

        We are talking about a virus, after all, that even the official medical experts, e.g., the U.K.’s Chief Medic, admit is more or less harmless to the vast majority of us, not the Bubonic Fucking Plague or some sort of Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu … so spare me the “we-had-no-choice-but-to-go-totalitarian” rationalization.

        “Brave New Normal” official narrative has been born, but it has not yet taken hold. What happens next will determine whether it does.

        The facts, the data, the “science” won’t matter. Reality is consensus reality … and a new consensus is being formed at the moment.

        The coming economic depression will be blamed on the Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu, rather than on the lockdown that caused it. Millions of people will be condemned to extreme poverty, or debt-enslaved for the rest of their lives, but they’ll be too busy trying to survive to mount any kind of broad resistance.”

        https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/21/brave-new-normal-part-2/

  2. Obvious to a six-year-old.
    Throw everything at it while the numbers are small enough that your intervention has an overwhelming effect.
    That requires intelligent direction by a single authority with a cooperating workforce though – exactly the opposite of what selling the NHS piecemeal to a few score companies with competing interests results in.
    Stupid, stupid cunts.

  3. No RH – protect the vulnerable against the virus and its potentially deadly impact on them.

    1. FOLLOW THE MONEY⚠️⚠️⚠️
      Ex TalkTalk Dido Harding now a Tory Baroness overseeing Tory govt’s sinister DANGEROUS App.

      Owen Patterson Tory ex cabinet minister now advising 400th and something richest person in the UK… think it’s 473rd… anyway Patterson is paid £100,000 at £500 per hour for “advice” to the multimillionaire Tory donor. RESULT multi million contract re Covid-19‼️

      Tory grandee Nicholas Soame’s brother – CEO of SERCO with two directors who have convictions for fraud and SERCO fined 19+ million for fraud and false accounting, SERCO with a history of incompetence re outsourced probation tagging etc … THAT SERCO also is raking in MILLIONS to run the “track and trace app” which may never work. They have already leaked between 250 and 3,000 contact details. Furthermore EXPLAIN THIS: For thousands of years, humans have done effective manual contact tracing. For infectious diseases manual tracing is key. Why then delay what is vital only to hand millions to big corporations and party donors⁉️⁉️⁉️ Why deliberately hinder and stall manual tracing which could have been implemented since the first identified and traced Covid-19 UK case in Churt or Haslemere❓❓❓ ANSWER: to handout even more millions to the Tory few.

  4. rob -My ‘apologies’ for my unwelcome intrusion. I wholeheartedly agree with your comment on RH’s nonsense..

      1. rob – “Truce then”

        Sort of
        I’ve been contemplating firstly whether to respond and if I do how I should reply. After some consideration I decided that it would be disrespectful of me not to reply and the most honest response I could give was a qualified yes.

        I’ve never held any personal animosity towards you as a person (just some of your views) I will also admit to on occasion becoming frustrated that some people’s first response when their views are challenged is to directly attack the messenger rather than the message.

        I agree with much of what you write (I even give you the odd ‘like’). However on some issues, for instance your views on setting up a new party, our opinions are diametrically opposed and it would be disingenuous of me not to challenge you when I think it is appropriate. I would like to think that in future we could agree when we agree and disagree when we don’t without us both descending into personal abuse.

        I appreciate that my response may not be quite what you may have hoped for but I also trust you can appreciate that whilst it is a nuanced reply it is also an honest one.

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