“Having no heart and little mind they don’t know how to win either of them in others”…
The news that Starmer’s Labour has fallen below both the Tories and the Reform neo-fascist ‘party’ comes as no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.
Labour currently sites in a poor third place behind the two blue flavours of fascism in the latest FindOutNow poll of Westminster voting intention, on a woeful 23 points – well behind Farage’s motley crew, whom Labour led by twenty points in July, only winning the general election because Reform cannibalised Tory votes in almost every seat Labour managed to win:
Starmer’s drab, visionless and consciously cruel outfit, with policies to match, disgusts anyone who still has heart and humanity and knows this world can be better than we’re being told – and those who want to embrace ‘I’m alright jack’, hate-the-foreigner–starve-the-poor politics will only be pushed further toward the Tories and Reform by Starmer’s assault on foreigners and democracy and his embrace of genocidal Zionism.
Skwawkbox and others have warned all along that for all their ‘grown-ups in the room’ claims, Starmer and his cronies are not very good at politics. They take naturally to authoritarianism and repression and love to go full police-state – but having no heart and little mind they don’t know how to win either of them in others.
He and his acolytes and the media that enable him have been exposed for what they are: weak, red Tories, like any centrist. They don’t like being found out, but they have been – and with that comes the reality that they’re hated by the right for even a veneer of liberalism and despised by the left for representing everything that’s wrong with capitalism and neoliberalism.
The tragic state of this country, and the terrible path it is on, are squarely on their shoulders.
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Those deluded individuals who profess to be on ‘the left’ and think that Farage offers an alternative need to give their head a wobble.
You were giving your head plenty wobbles, pre-election, routinely telling us keef was THE ‘credible alternative’
Made you blind, it has. You can’t say you weren’t told.
Toffee – It’s not my problem that you don’t have a credible alternative.
Really.
And keef’s showing OODLES of credibility, I suppose.
People are just thrilled with the alternative he’s provided, aren’t they?
Have (yet) another go, ollies.
Have you any examples to demonstrate this claim, Billy?
You know, actual substantive based evidence?
Or are you making up a straw man argument – again? i.e. lying through your teeth.
Because I don’t know about anyone else, but it’s getting extremely sad to watch you pathetically and constantly embarrass yourself in this way. Not to mention the copious amounts of resulting tumbleweed.
It’s like listening to a whiny teenager.
Dave – You’re the gullible numpty who is supporting the likes of Assad and Putin.
Billy, – Have you any examples to demonstrate this ludicrous claim?
You know, actual substantive based evidence?
And what has it got to do with the question posed to you as to what evidence you have to substantiate the claim you have made that [checks notes] there exist:
“deluded individuals who profess to be on ‘the left’ and think that Farage offers an alternative”?
At least stick to the issue rather than insulting the intelligence of everyone on this site with your infantile yah boo distractions designed to hide the fact that you cannot answer the question.
Because it ain’t working, Billy.
Show us the beef.
Dave – You’re the gullible numpty who is supporting the likes of Assad and Putin.
Thread’s about keef. Not putin or assad.
And I too, want to see your evidence of Dave’s support for either.
Steady now, Toffee, lest you yourself are accused of;
a) The same thing
or
b) Following this self-proclaimed ‘Sage’ round the site like a dog
c) Both of the above
“deluded individuals who profess to be on ‘the left’…”
Yes SteveH,
1. Starmer is trying to make people believe something that is not true. Admittedly, being the titular ‘leader’ of a leftish party supports that deception, but;
2. over 200,000 former members of Labour immediately absented themselves from the party as soon as he became its leader, also;
3. aiding and abetting Zion’s holocaustal genocide against innocent Palestinians obviously rebuffs the lie that he is ‘of the left’, and;
4. providing the world’s largest asset management conglomerate — which has US$ 11.5 TRILLION in assets under management) with an inside-track to the UK’s infrastructure and farmland,
are all proof-positive that Starmer knows he is of the economic rights ( “an extreme-capitalist”). The British electorate realise this too – and would rather have a Farage or a Bad Enoch in his place (they might be more ‘left-wing’).
It kinda makes sense to me.
Those deluded individuals who profess to be on ‘the left’
Are you talking about yourself again, Billy?
1) Bad enough
2) Sewage
3) Starver
4) Coalitionist/Collaborators
Four nightmares.
But but but
Herr Flick struggles to explain how a party can throw away a ‘Super Majority’ in 5 months
Try ‘Loveless Landslide’
Their only chance is to use their one off never to be repeated advantage too bring in PR
Doug – ‘MPs have voted for PR – but it’s the government that must lead the way’
There was surprise amongst some Westminster watchers yesterday as the House of Commons voted to replace First Past the Post (FPTP) with Proportional Representation (PR) for the first time in history. A symbolic ‘Ten Minute Rule’ motion, put forward by Liberal Democrat MP Sarah Olney, was narrowly passed with the support of 138 MPs, including 59 Labour MPs.
4th December, 2024, 3:28 pm
https://labourlist.org/2024/12/proportional-representation-parliament-vote-labour-government/
Between now and then they will have to give up all the trappings of the Uni party and stand for something
SteveH Starmer aiding and abetting Zion’s genocide of innocent Palestinians obviously rebuffs the lie that Starmer is ‘of the left’.
FFS, he’s no different than BadEnoch and Farage and Trump and Biden.
The Powers that be are kinda in charge.
You’re not needed here.
At the present rate the Starmer Junta looks odds on to come last in a one horse race.
…Especially when that horse has been nobbled to the extent that it only has three legs, and is blind – an affliction shared by its thirty-stone jockey.
Yup. The right despise him, the left despises him and — most encouraging ly — the third-way centrists abhor him for blowing their cover.
Starmer is killing the dominant Blair-Brown-entryist-wing of the once-great Labour Party.
A ‘new party’ looks more likely every day.
Thanks BlackRock, thanks Starmer.
Perhaps Capital has 2 choices at the next General Election, manage the reactionary vote with a more Right Wing extreme Tory Party & extreme Reform not standing against each other or combine them bringing Grotesque Farage on board, the Neo-Liberal Capitalist 1st X1?
Or continue to back & use Right Wing Labour, the Neo-Liberal Capitalist 2nd X1, again to police grassroots diverse working class & grassroots trade union militancy whilst doing their bidding?
Heads they win, tails they win.
So will we the Left sleepwalk into doing nothing perhaps until 6 weeks before the electoral slaughter but perhaps backing Independents & having a dozen powerless Socialist MPs who talk the talk but are marginalised?
‘Fine talk’s a Socialist thing so wise.
As with bugger all power they self actualise!’
Or will Left Wing Democratic Socialist leaders emerge who have strategic thinking and form a new Left Wing Democratic Socialist Party though we would need a brand name even if it is only having Jeremy Corbyn as it’s President?
So in terms of such a new party, in 4.5 years time we WILL face the most extreme mainstream Right Wing party ever, it’s not a case of we should do this its a case of we MUST do this and sooner than later; with Corbyn’s name it would have hundreds of thousands of members & millions of pounds in the bank to campaign with.
We need to make history and be bold.
I would love to be able to say that I saw a left wing alternative emerging in England, because, god knows England needs change, because they need people to stop the climate change weather events in England, the British country which is suffering the most from climate change, as well as to stop the persecution of the poorest and most vulnerable to the point of deliberately starving them to death. England, though has always been a right wing country, and the genocide in Gaza has exposed that fact. This really is the last chance saloon for England, either support the left wing independent candidates and parties or England will become as extinct and disappear from the map just like what is happening, very correctly to Israel, an artificial creation by the British, one of the most despicable acts of British imperialism and colonialism, and, boy, we, the British have a very long and despicable history of doing to other countries, what is happening to us here in Britain. Decades ago, the all time great Tony Benn MP warned the British that it was very instructive watching what the deep state, security and intelligence services do to other countries, because when they run out of other countries to starve the population and steal their resources and enslave their people, they will do the same to us. We have now reached the point Tony Benn warned us about many decades ago. So, I have zero hope that English voters will swing to the left, they will only move further and further to the right, as their country disappears under the deep levels of shit England is now swimming in, every time a storm hits the country. I would have thought that with climate change events happening, the deliberate decision of the neoliberal Starmer government starving the poorest and most vulnerable to death, and the collapse of capitalism, I would have thought people would have been turning to the left, the people who want to help them the most, rather than destroying them and helping their country to continue to exist. I am seeing none of that happening, instead England has chosen its own destruction and disappearance. I am Scottish and live in Scotland, and despite us having a ten times smaller population than England, I predict England and the English will be gone sooner than we Scots will be gone. This is a warning, not a threat.
And if, despite such gerrymandering, the voters make the “wrong” choice, some bullshit pretext will be used to annul any such outcome and rerun it till the Oligarchy get the results they want.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/cynical-overtakes-sacred-as-the-west
Just like in Romania, or Georgia.
If that doesn’t work, there’s always the cuddly “diversity-friendly’ Jihadists to fall back on* to deal with the “wrong” kind of voters.
*who were, apparently, only going through a “phase” – like some teenager – when they a big shot in AQ and its offshoots.
Starmer Just DETONATED Labour’s Fortunes & There Is No Way Back.
“Labour currently sites in a poor third place behind the two blue flavours of fascism”
So in other words, Britain’s political scene now comprises 3 fascist parties!
Farage, by comparison with Starmer, becomes less offensive every day!
timfrom’s not wrong: neo-fascistic rightists are overtaking Sir Keir of the BlackRock.
Do something a so-so lawyer might do – – Look at the evidence Starmer.
i). Bad Enoch’s Conservative’s are U͟P͟ ͟1͟.͟6͟
ii) Farage’s Reform, U͟P͟ ͟9͟.͟3͟
iii) (b>BlackRock’s Labour is D͟O͟W͟N͟ ͟1͟1͟.͟7͟
The lion’s share of Starmer’s voters (10.9) are switching to the easy alternatives. Why buy pepsi when you can have a Coke??
(thinking: BlackRock probably owns pepsi as well as Starmer’s Labour).
D͟O͟W͟N͟ ͟1͟1͟.͟7͟%.
The only good news in all of this is that The Greens are up 2.1 – and nearer to faux-Labour’s vote share than ever before.
Gee wizz, who’d have thought of it, New New Labour haven’t got the support of right-wing media, and are tanking in the polls.
Oh look, wee steven…
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-streeting-pledge-four-hour-accident-emergency-3418124?srsltid=AfmBOorNAAl6EA6nbwgsjVVaeGrA6szgt1iQatAqR7ysn4LsODw-9rUA
Labour ditches Streeting pledge to meet four-hour A&E target by 2029
Downing Street said on Friday it could not guarantee the A&E target would be met within Keir Starmer’s first term
Now….about that “better future” you voted for (from afar)???
Go on, regale us, why dontcha. 🙄
I think this website should abandon berating Starmer at every opportunity and be conduit for change that every response suggests is needed. The Harris campaign majored on how bad Trump is and was mute when it came to what might be better.
In essence – leave keef alone. Grin and bear it. Keef was the lying runt telling the nation he’d bring about change – it was their election slogan fans.
So theres’ NO ‘kin chance of me keeping schtum about it, pal.
Change won’t come about by not highlighting what godawful, clueless gets keef and his clique are.
The MSM certainly aren’t doing so – at least not with the alacrity and diligence smarmerite incompetence demands.
And as long as that incompetence and indifference affects me, and the plight of the millions of people like me directly, I’ll have a gripe about it.
Don’t like it? Don’t read it.
But if all your energy is focused on how terrible he is then what remains to work towards what might be. I understand your position but I get motivated by hope more than anger.
You get motivated by hope more than anger? From THAT shower o’shite? More fool you.
There isn’t one of them inspires hope in me, nor any of the plethora of people I know in a similar position.
When work was done towards what might have been, these bastards saw to it that all hope was crushed by the most shothouse of means. The smarmerite rats have now made certain that the mere notion of a glimmer if hope returning will forever be a non-starter.
The only hope I have is the hope that one day their deeds and actions catch up with them.
…And that’s a very, VERY remote hope.
To be able to offer change from an existing system first and foremost requires explicit identification of what is wrong/unworkable in that existing system and why it has no efficacy.
That necessary integral part of the process is more likely to produce results which are more robust and sustainable.
Rejecting this necessary element to juxtapose alternatives against the system which is subject to that critique which is being rejected as unnecessary would appear to be congruent with the kind of approach which treats a hypothesis as self-evident without testing it and moving straight to the conclusion.
(Pre) Assuming what one aims to deduce.
Or, to take another potential example, jettisoning due process procedure by treating an allegation as sufficient proof in its own right without the need to test it with evidence.*
A more real life example of such an approach is unfolding in Syria and the wider Near East where, in their eagerness to replace something they feel they don’t like at all and any costs without thinking the matter through, are, by default, upporting a far worse alternative in an approach based in childish point scoring.
My hope has no relation to what Starmer is or is not doing. I choose not to be rendered immobile by the anger at uncovering ever more steaming piles of shit in the world and instead try to kindle the signs of optimism I find in my immediate environment. That may not be your way but it works for me
My hope has no relation to what Starmer is or is not doing.
Like it or not, what smarmer’s doing dictates the day-to-day existence of everyone on here in some form or other, and generally determines the vast majority of output from @skwawkbox.
I choose not to be rendered immobile by the anger at uncovering ever more steaming piles of shit in the world and instead try to kindle the signs of optimism I find in my immediate environment
You obviously don’t live local to me, then. A place of scant optimism. What you say works for you is most definitely not doing so for me, or the people I know in a similar situation.
Micawberism just doesn’t cut it around here, I’m afraid.
Therefore all I can do is wish you luck in your endeavours.