Wonder how much Starmer’s Labour paid for ‘Win the Future’…
Keir Starmer’s new slogan for the Labour party is ‘Win the Future’. Seriously. He unveiled it in an interview with his ‘centrist’ mates at the Guardian:
Apart from being as vague and fundamentally meaningless as you’d expect from this hologram of a ‘leader’, it also shortens to the acronym ‘WTF‘.
You couldn’t make it up – and in the disaster that is Starmer’s ‘Nu-Nu Labour’, you have no need to.
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What happened to the Ed-Stone, does it still exist?
What happened to the Ed-Stone, does it still exist?
Dunno. Haven’t you and the rest of the Blaire-buggerities who entered and denatured the Labour party at the bequest of the CIA and trilateral billionaires, installed it somewhere (maybe a backroom at the Institute of (hard-right) Economic Affairs IEA) and don’t you have religious-like ritualistic orgies around it, at which you all chant “For the FEW f*ck the many, For the FEW f*ck the manyFor the FEW f*ck the many” until you all reach a colloital – or is that masturbatory climax – and develop your scams and cons?
If anyone knows where the Ed Stone is, it should be you or someone else who the anti-Labour LabourRight.
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The Ed stone is a symbol of the propaganda Labour had to overcome because of the Blairite economics of borrow and spend. They say people have short memories but I’m afraid that the people, aided by the media, haven’t forgotten that Blair/Brown were ‘prudent’ spendthrifts and poor old Ed had to prostrate himself in front of the media and promise in stone, not to copy Blair/Brown.
lundiel – Or he could have treated the voters as adults and just told the truth backed up with the figures instead of relying on stupid gimmicks
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/06/24/the-tories-have-always-borrowed-more-than-labour-and-always-repaid-less-they-are-the-party-of-big-deficit-spending/
But the Tories didn’t use PFI on anything like the scale of Blair Brown who’ve left a toxic debt. Seven trusts had to be bailed out, they were essentially bankrupt. Thanks to Blair Brown NHS trusts saw the internal market as a source of income that would allow them to repay the debts. That never happened because they had to put everything out to tender (thanks EU) and slime like Branson got the best deals. You don’t seem to have any idea of the trouble Blair Brown got us in and the danger they inflicted on the NHS. They both should have been made to engrave the Ed stone by hand.
Steve H.. Filthy foul language fitting for a party in “Terminal decline”check out the morning star comrade its educational on just were you loosers are heading.?
Jose[h – What filthy foul mouthed language would you be talking about.
Whist I appreciate that you are scared to post links because your internet use is closely monitored where you live the least you can do if you want me to read an article is to quote the headline. I await your response
I doubt the Cambodian government are worried too much about a political system that espouses neo liberalism in a splurge of filthy language in a party near bankrupt and a leader bereft of any sense of morality.Hun Sen our PM fought with Vietnamese comrades to liberate this country from a genocidal mad man pol pot and the Khmer rouge regime.I just hope the Labour party can liberate itself from a Zionist fanatic and religious Zealot Sir keir Rodney Starmer.?Times running out Steve H Hall centrist Dad
Joseph – Don’t be silly any financial problems that the party may be in are a legacy of the Corbyn/Formby era. Corbyn lost that many members that they no longer had the cash flow to cover their spending.
Official figures put the total at just under 485,000 – down from a peak of 564,000 at the end of 2017.
That includes around 35,000 supporters whose subscriptions are in arrears, meaning the party now has around 450,000 fully paid-up members.
(which is inline with my calculation that several months later there were 440k members in the lead upto the 19GE)
The 14% drop in membership comes against a backdrop of dissatisfaction by many in the party at Jeremy Corbyn’s approach to Brexit and anti-semitism.
A senior Labour MP said the party’s budget was based on an assumption that the number of paying members would not fall below 500,000.
“It’s the biggest annual fall in our history – admittedly from a huge base – and it will only get worse.”
Glen O’Hara, Professor of Contemporary History at Oxford Brookes University, said: “The decline in official membership is very big – 14% or so in just 18 months.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/excl-labour-membership-dips-below-half-a-million-as-tens-of-thousands-leave-party
Joseph – Hon Sen is an arsehole who maintains himself in power with nepotism, corruption, detention, torture and murder.
Stevie H Hall….I can’t remember when I last saw such a laughable defence of the indefensible.We based our figures on five hundred thousand members?.Well the truth is leaking out.Shouldn’t you get rid of Einstein that thought that?.So the coverup of the missing millions starts now.with a witchunt in progress with thousands having jumped ship “I Thought” that we would have five hundred thousand members?.Unbelievable that you think you can Bulshitt your way out of a criminal enquiry into why the Labour party are bankrupt and a few million in surplus “is disappeared” in the rush to destroy the socialist revival and the democratic socialist Labour party.and think that everyone including the unions will not wonder if dodgy Evans and dodgy lawyer have not been half inching the members hard earned money.?.Like all loosers you blame the members for this fiasco and then sending coded messages of WTF does it matter…Somone get the police force in on this little game .Youve been rumbled and I only hope that Unite and Steve Turner trace were the loots disappeared that the former Labour leader left you with a nice fat bank account and nobody knocking on the door of the once respected Labour party.
Joseph – Well thanks for the rant, do you enjoy making a fool of yourself. You are a laugh a minute today.
“I can’t remember when I last saw such a laughable defence of the indefensible.We based our figures on five hundred thousand members?.
These laughable excuses came from Corbyn’s team 😏
You’ve obviously missed that the article that I’ve quoted from was published on the 23 July 2019 when Corbyn was in charge. It was Corbyn that lost 14% of the membership and Corbyn & Formby that left current leadership to clear up the cash flow problems that JC & JF had created by overspending.
The Labour party actually has more members now than it did under Corbyn’s tenure prior to the 19GE.
Steve H Hall do you really think that members dont know a scam when they see it.Corbyn left a massive legacy of millions in the bank and nearly six hundred thousand members.Do you really think we believe fatty arbuckle evans figures knocked up on one of your cancerous fag packets you imbecile right wing troll.?WTF to your disgusting neo liberal alliance.
Joseph – Why don’t you come back and tell me all about it when you have something more than wild supposition.
Corbyn losing 14% of the membership in less than 18mths and carrying on spending as if nothing had happened whilst the membership carried on reducing by another 10,000 the run up to the 19GE is what lies at the root of any financial problems that Labour may have.
Stop lying centrist dad. The drop in membership when Corbyn was leader was because of Brexit, I was one of them. It was nowhere near the numbers who left post on Corbyn which were more than double the 14%. When Corbyn left there was £13 million in the kitty. Starmer and Evans disappeared it.
Starmer has bankrupted the Labour party.
https://tobyjoshuapolitics.medium.com/starmer-has-bankrupted-the-labour-party-bfb164b71d52
“Hon Sen is an arsehole who maintains himself in power with nepotism, corruption, detention, torture and murder.”
Yet again I’m flabbergasted by the contempt and pure brass neck displayed by centrist dad who knowing nothing about a country, tells someone who lives there what it’s like to live there.
I’ve never come across such a rude ignorant prick before and he also claims he’s a teacher. Such an ignorant opinionated man would be a very bad teacher.
lundiel – Did you bother to do any research at all before posting this nonsense? Take a look at Hun Sen’s Wikipedia page (plenty of alternative sources are available).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_Sen
You cheeky git. If you call looking at a Wikipedia page ‘research’, you can fuck right off.
lundiel – As I said above there are plenty of other sources to pick from.
Here’s one from Human Right Watch
30 Years of Hun Sen
Violence, Repression, and Corruption in Cambodia
https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/01/12/30-years-hun-sen/violence-repression-and-corruption-cambodia
Oh you utter Tory twat. HRW is an NGO with close links to Western governments and security services.
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngos/human_rights_watch_hrw_/
You are a disgrace with your links to discredited fake NGOs and Wikipedia edited by security services. No wonder your knowledge of foreign affairs is so dire. I don’t know how you’ve got the front to come here and link to psyops and propaganda. Just fuck off.
lundiel – Oh dear!
Centrist dad, I presume you’re still a member of the party. If I were you I’d be worried about the money they’re wasting on bogus antisemitism cases and money they are giving to hugely expensive marketing companies to come up with duff acronyms like WTF.
Did Keir notice that the woman shown standing behind him in that image, with a grim, defeated expression on her face, holds a placard that says “Labour 2015”?
Lundiel I appreciate the defence of a poor country attacked by a ignorant idiot Steve H Hall centrist Dad and other aliases.I do not claim my adopted country is perfect,but I can say to anyone that the smiling faces of the local people including my grandchildren is genuine.Steve H aliases or otherwise cannot possibly know the sheer terror and misery the Cambodian people lived under till Hun Sen a former communist khmer rouge officer helped to bring the communist Vietnamese comrades into liberating the people from a nightmare not of there making..He Steve H Hall only knows from storybooks loaded against the Cambodian people and a true leader of over a quarter of a century of peace Hun Sen a true leader and a man thats struggled to bring peace and prosperity using our good neighbour China.to provide the belt road and finance without political strings.attatched…The thought that a political parasite like Steve H Hall centrist Dad should dare to criticise somone or something he knows nothing about other than the toilet paper comments is a absolute sign of the cancer that eats at the heart and soul of a once proud movement of the working-class people the Labour party.
Joseph – Hopefully your internet watchers will have seen your propaganda piece. Have you read his Wikipedia page or are you living a happy existence in blissful ignorance with your benign (until you step out of line) dictator.
Did you read the HRW report before you decided to settle there.
HRW is a fake. https://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngos/human_rights_watch_hrw_/
lundiel – NGO Watch has its own issues. As I said above there are plenty of other sources to pick from but very few are positive about you and Joseph’s hero,
lundiel – ….and yet they appear to be quite vocal about Israel’s crimes
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/08/24/human-rights-watch-israel-bombing-gaza-high-rises-are-possible-war-crimes
Human Rights Watch said Monday that the Israeli military’s May bombings that leveled four high-rise buildings in Gaza were “apparently unlawful” and possibly amount to war crimes.
The organization—which noted that those strikes represented “just a small fraction of the Israeli military’s attacks in Gaza” in the May 10 to May 21 fighting—cited in its new analysis a lack of any evidence to back up Israeli authorities’ claims that the buildings were being used by Hamas for military purposes The report also noted the disproportionate harm to civilian property caused by the Israeli attacks.
He’s not my hero, I know nothing about him, nor do you but it didn’t stop you smearing him.
lundiel – You are right I’m not an expert but I was prompted to find out more when I read this a little while ago.
PHNOM PENH (Reuters) – A court in Cambodia convened on Thursday for the treason trial of scores of opposition figures, one of a series of cases seen by activists as moves by the ruling party to sideline threats to its political monopoly.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cambodia-politics-idUSKBN29J0CK
Give it up, each link you provide is slightly worse than the last. Thompson Reuters is linked to the CIA through mass surveillance. It has it’s greasy fingers in many pies and has access to huge databases of personal information. Also, when any western news outlet uses the word ‘activists’ alarm bells should ring.
Just accept you actually know very little of the world around you and you either need to do a crash course in political naivety or you are a bit.
Bot not bit.
It does not take brain cells to mastermind a disaster waiting to happen…the next election will be a farce.
Yes why is she holding Labour2015 if it’s a new photo… as nd why is Captain Forensic in the pic if it’s from 2015?
What The Fuck???
Very shoddy ‘work’. And as any child attending nursery already knows, the primary colours are RED, yellow and blue.
Peter brown good post and its fairly obvious that the Labour party are in the middle of a grand scam to dodge the blame for a bankrupt Labour party bereft of members and money in the bank.Corbyn left millions and this bunch of parasites half inched it.Bloody disgrace and with the usual single parasite Davidh steve h hall centrist Dad con man to back it up from the Caribbean bolt hole.
Joseph – Corbyn’s legacy was a negative cash flow.
Thatcher’s Neoliberal Neolabour What-The-Fuck Parasite TORY Party!
This TORY Party’s Title is getting out of control, soon it will be the length of a Fantasy Novel!
skellyknelly – You could try just referring to it as the Labour Party instead of making up silly names.
2 Polar Opposite Parties 1 Parasite Party!
HOST PARTY=UK Labour Party=Democratic Socialism=Works and Stands FOR THE PEOPLE!
PARASITE PARTY=Neolabour Party TORIES=Thatcherite Neoliberalism=Works and Stands FOR THEMSELVES and The ELITES/ESTABLISHMENT!
That would be IMPOSSIBLE, because they are MOST CERTAINLY NOT UK Labour Party! They as YOU are Neoliberal TORIES!
“I don’t feel the need to”
Your posts would be more powerfully persuasive if you took stevieh’s unintentional good advice – or, as you said yourself, just refer to it as “the host” organism which the pro-capitalist pathogenic microbiome known as the ‘Labour right’ exist to destroy.
qwertboi – The Labour party could quite easily continue without the self appointed guardians of ‘the left’. I doubt that the reverse is true.
@stevieh ” The Labour party could quite easily continue without the self appointed guardians of ‘the left’. I doubt that the reverse is true”
Meaning what, that the Labour Right is expressing and promoting a fundamental value and enduring characteristic of Labour’s idenity?
No. “For the Many, not the Few.
Labour is definitionally democratic socialist.
qwertboi – That you are confused about the definition of a parasite.
stevieh: “ you are confused about the definition of a parasite.
Many parasites can be symbiotic with their host, but not the Labour right.
A pro-capitalist pathogen is carcinogenic to a democratic socialist organism like the people’s party of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership..
We could do that, Steve, if what Starmer has misled could still be CALLED “The Labour Party”. Nothing to the right of the 2017 manifesto is Labour- and certainly nothing Blair did when he unnecessarily stripped the party of all vestiges of socialism by doing unto Clause IV what did Ramsay Bolton did unto Theon Greyjoy.
Steve H Hall I doubt that quertboi is confused about the definition of parasite especially after conversing with you.You are attatched to the Labour party with the goal of bleeding it dry Steve H Hall centrist Dad you meet all criteria of a parasite just like your leader and the misfits.
Joseph – Oh dear, this is getting silly. Why are getting so exited about a fake photo.
Some PARASITES are even stupid enough to bleed their HOST’S TO DEATH!
https://ibb.co/BBS9HVr
£13.5 Million on handover and now, ‘they can’t even pay the Gas and Electric’!
Apart from that one of many examples, The Democrats in USA, New Labour, etc always keeps/kept a good few “Left” MPs to dangle outside like attractive Baubles, for That “Socialist” Image and to attract Voters! However Keith’s Neolabour TORIES wants to destroy everything reminiscent of Democratic Socialism, to replace it ALL with his Thatcherite Neoliberal Neolabour Party TORYISM! Trouble is, in a competitive Market there already exists One Conservative TORY PARTY and there is absolutely no need for Two Tory Parties, Keith should have at least pretended to be a Democratic Socialist or “a Socialist and Left Leaning” as the Mossad Spy, Laughably, put on his WikiPage!
skellyknelly – “£13.5 Million on handover and now, ‘they can’t even pay the Gas and Electric’!”
Don’t be silly any financial problems that the party may be in at the moment are a legacy of mismanagement by the Corbyn/Formby era. Corbyn lost that many members that they no longer had the cash flow to cover their spending.
This was published in July19
Official figures put the total at just under 485,000 – down from a peak of 564,000 at the end of 2017.
That includes around 35,000 supporters whose subscriptions are in arrears, meaning the party now has around 450,000 fully paid-up members.
The 14% drop in membership comes against a backdrop of dissatisfaction by many in the party at Jeremy Corbyn’s approach to Brexit and anti-semitism.
A senior Labour MP said the party’s budget was based on an assumption that the number of paying members would not fall below 500,000.
“It’s the biggest annual fall in our history – admittedly from a huge base – and it will only get worse.”
Glen O’Hara, Professor of Contemporary History at Oxford Brookes University, said: “The decline in official membership is very big – 14% or so in just 18 months.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/excl-labour-membership-dips-below-half-a-million-as-tens-of-thousands-leave-party
Bless! Their OWN Report, Links included you have to click on them!
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/07/21/labour-had-13-5-million-in-reserves-at-end-of-corbyn-leadership-now-party-almost-broke/
ONLY FACT’S Please some Oxford’ Chappy’s Personal Biasses do not impress me, whatsoever!
skellyknelly – Oh come on is that really the best you can do. I suggest you have a look at Labour’s financial liabilities in the accounts for 2019 (the latest available). It doesn’t take long to burn through reserves when they haven’t enough coming in to cover their expenditure.
Also the article clearly states that these are official Labour party figures
Those ARE The Party Accounts up to December 2019 compiled in 2020! Stick to the FACTS it is the Balance, Handed Over! “when they haven’t enough coming in to cover their expenditure.”
1.£13.5Million, let’s talk about it when you charlatans release their use of it if they ever do, could land in one of Keith’s Many Vanishing Document Black Holes!!
2. I thought The Neolabour Parasite Party TORIES, were so Very Popular! Where’s all the 100s of 1000s of New Members Flocking In! You’d think with all the Dodgy Dealing Keith did, Donors would be Queuing Up! So where has all that money gone?
Don’t tell me they are THAT unpopular that they can’t even get new members or backers!
3. 13 December 2019 was the end of blaming Corbyn for The Neolabour Parasite Party TORIES’ Shite Leadership, Management, Incompetence, after coming up to 2 years that falls square on your Worm Keith, Corbyn has nothing to do with that!
Terrible! ABSOLUTELY Terrible!
No WONDER UK Labour Party Members/Voters will VOTE OUT The Neolabour Parasite Party TORIES along with all their Conniving, Sabotaging, Undermining, out of OUR Democratic Socialist UK Labour Party FOR THE PEOPLE!
Have you read the section on outgoings?
1. You’re being silly again, Labour have a legal obligation to produce audited accounts. These accounts are a matter of public record.
2. Winning back the trust of the 1,000s and 1,000s of members that left in 2018 and 19 is a lot harder than losing it but we now have more members than we did immediately before the 19GE
3. If only that were true. Unfortunately whether you like it or not Corbyn losing 14% of the membership and his failure to take action to balance the books + losing 60 seats (£1million+ pa) has an ongoing impact.
Starmer and Evans have unfortunately been forced to make staff redundant as part of cost cutting measures to rectify the situation they inherited.
“Labour have a legal obligation” I am sure the CPS has a legal obligation for case Documents/Files not to vanish!
Are you telling us that Keith’s Thatcherite Neoliberal Neolabour Parasite Party TORIES still have not made up 77000 (14% of 550K) Members!? WOW!!!!! That is ONLY 77K perhaps popularity delusions is a thing!
“losing 60 seats £1million+ pa” So that is £1M p/a, where has the £13.5 Million gone!?
You mean to tell me that The Mighty Neoliberal Neolabour Parasite TORY Party is that shit it can’t generate even a £2M in 2 Years! OH Boy, you have bigger problems than The UK Labour Party!
What you are basically saying is that Keith is Haemorrhaging the little incoming they do make faster than they are able to Document it!?
I am sorry you can’t blame Corbyn for that!
The Final Totals took into account all Labour’s Expenses, Neolabour TORIES had almost 2 years to produce handfuls of Hot Air!
skellyknelly – For goodness sake calm down, you having a tantrum isn’t going to impress anyone.
We’ll all find out in the 2021 Annual Report. You are more than welcome to tell me all about it if there is anything untoward.
Make yourself a cup of tea and chillax
You’re a very strange little Rat-Man, I am perfectly Calm thank you for the concern, I would be most grateful if you could do something about this Damned Heat about 14-16 with a 7-10 Northern breeze would be great ta! Other than that I am quite happy ad content no stress here!
skellyknelly – I got my mum, who is nearly 90, a portable air conditioner from Screwfix last year. It cost about £300 but it was worth every penny.
Look at that we are talking nicely :):):) I will save up for the next couple of years, and get one, Only trouble is it will be £380.00 by the time I get to £300.00, Thanks anyway!
Here is a thing for you Steve, no pun/ nastiness intended,but my £300.00 is probably your £3000.00, perhaps a lot more. And there is not a damned thing I can do about it! I’m not suggesting you are wealthy, nor that I envy your wealth if you are, I have been there done that, Poverty has taught me far more lessons than wealth and luxury. Even though I would love to contribute as I did once before, I have no desire for materialist commercialised stuff! (Perhaps a £300.00 Air Con! :):):) )
I am filled with gratitude for what I have and what I get. Sadly without a Democratic Socialist Government/Opposition the very specific support and care that I need will not be available! So you are still a TORY TWUNT, but it was nice talking talking nicely for a change :):):) ….. Right back to the Battlefield!
“Starmer is running out of other people to blame. By inspiring no one, he has plunged the party into financial crisis and damaged the party’s electoral prospects. Party members, trade unionists, and even shadow cabinet members in private, lament the multiple missed opportunities to take on an argument, and exploit the Conservatives’ failures and corruption, held back by Starmer’s debilitating caution.
Internal strife makes it nigh on impossible to communicate your message, as Jeremy Corbyn found. Making internal strife the centrepiece of your pitch, as Neil Kinnock did in the 1980s, is a recipe for electoral failure too.
Starmer’s winning mandate was based on promises to deliver party unity, electability, professionalism, and a socialist policy platform. No fair-minded observer could say he has provided any of that. In fact, quite the opposite.
Labour lost in 2010 on a Blairite platform promising “cuts deeper than Thatcher”. It lost in 2015 on Ed Miliband’s centrist offering. And after the relative high of 2017, Labour sunk again in 2019 on a left platform derailed by a Brexit fudge that pleased no one.
Being leader of the opposition is a tough gig. Becoming so during a pandemic added complications to that arduous task. But rather than rise to the challenge, Starmer has shrunk.
More concerningly, the party is shrinking: losing electoral support, losing members, losing funds, and losing dedicated staff.”
Labour had £13.5 MILLION in reserves at end of Corbyn leadership – now party almost broke
https://skwawkbox.org/2021/07/21/labour-had-13-5-million-in-reserves-at-end-of-corbyn-leadership-now-party-almost-broke/
lundiel – Corbyn’s legacy was a negative cash flow.
Unfortunately whether you like it or not Corbyn losing 14% of the membership and his failure to take action to balance the books + losing 60 seats (£1million+ pa) has an ongoing impact.
Starmer and Evans have unfortunately been forced to make staff redundant as part of cost cutting measures to rectify the situation they inherited.
You are a fucking liar SteveH. Since Starmer took over 250 members a day have been leaving, that’s 120,000 since Starmer was elected. Not to mention him throwing money at the staffers who worked so hard to lose the election. Skwawkbox printed an image of the outgoing balance sheet, the loss of members in 2019 was insignificant compared to the continuing outpouring of members.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
lundiel – could you provide a direct link to the actual article in your trusted Murdoch source
lundiel – We still have more members than there were immediately prior to the 19GE under Corbyn.
Tapeworms, don’t make it out to be something special. Now the husk will collapse into itself. Too late for the Jab so let’s sit back and enjoy the show. Popcorn?
Wobbly – What was it that prompted you to comment on an article that is 3 weeks old
They like it in opposition, nice money and perks. No heavy lifting.
So mr Hall centrist Dad Steve H Hall these are the same type of accounts audited by respectable acounting companys that also acounted for Amazon sports direct and any other bunch of parasites and crooks that live off the backs of the working class,…Why dont you just WTF bugger off and cut down on the martinis in your Caribbean bolt hole you absolute scab.
Joseph – I’ve no idea but if you really want to know it will be in the report somewhere.
What was that last three word slogan, the one that got the Tories elected? Oh yeah, Get Brexit Done. At least we had a clue what that meant.
There’s a couple of villages have lost their idiots.
Each and every person who did not make their X for The UK Labour Party 2017 and 2019 are to blame for putting The Inbred Buffoon in Nr10! Not the Brexit Bandwagon, Remain Bandwagon, “I just don’t like Jeremy Corbyn”, “Corbyn Does not understand Working Class People” or ANY OTHER MSM/Campbell/Blair/Mandelson/Galloway/etc, etc Spin and Propaganda!
Every Adult British Person knew these Facts:
1. The PEOPLE have been in a 42 year Thatcherite Neoliberal Hellish Grip!
2. In the UK there are Generally ONLY ONE of TWO Parties who can win The GE!
3. If you voted anything OTHER than The UK Labour Party, AT A TIME WHEN WE HAD A CHOICE, you voted CONSERVATIVE TORY!
Each Person entered that Booth ALONE and made their OWN X, not Corbyn, Not Leave, Not Remain, they did it themself. How so many people thought that The Conservatives would be Open for Negotiation and Reason and that The UK Labour Party would have their Door Bolted Shut, is madness!
Now the Clever Clogs have a Major Conundrum!
The THIS TORY vs THAT TORY eternal Merry-Go-Round from hell and a growing 42 years of TORY HELL!
If we want an OPPOSITION to the Government which we had our choice 2017/2019, now we can only do one thing, Vote the Parasite TORY Party OUT of The UK Labour Party!
For as long as they are there they WILL undermine, sabotage, smear and spin Any Attempts of forming an OPPOSITION Party and the People will have no chance of OPPOSITION Party to The TORIES from The TORIES!
Has anyone considered the possibility that he is being deliberately ridiculed by his enemies in the labour party, he surely can’t be this incompetent all on his own?
ellie…..very perceptive of you.I have heard roumers that “Bomber Benn”has been sowing seeds of discontent.My” friends in the North “have informed me of a move by the bomber command to pull the carpet from under the serial looser the knight of the realm starmer.I I think we can all sympathize with the PLP who are facing a Labour party bankruptcy at the same time as a Labour party meltdown in confidence to avert redundancy for our parasites \sorry mps.in parliament.Lets be honest about the job?…Three months hols and four days a week for mainly bullshiting old chums from the same public schools and the same ideology….you couldn’t make it up our dennis skinner said to me at a CLP mtg.
Joseph – I very much doubt that there will be a leadership challenge this side of the next GE, the RW aren’t that stupid. We’ll see who’s proved right.
Steve H Hall its called positioning in politics somthing you would know bugger all about being a redundent job centre advisor from somwhere up norf?and windward islands of course?The knights finished its a matter of which looser you back next if the Labour party survives beyond the conference.?…
Yes Starmer said Win The Future (WTF) but this is an old photo with Ed removed and Starmer added. The 2015 flag is the clue. Some of you guys seem to think it’s genuine. Or am missing the joke?
I wonder if some in the PR firm thought Let’s see if we can get away with getting Keir to say WTF? A bit like the tv mockumentary about the new drug Cake. Or Starmer saw WTF on thousands of members’ resignation letters and thought that’s catchy.
It is amazing how gullible some are
Funny stevieh, but every time you accuse someone of “gullibility”, I know they have hit a nerve and scare you and the globocapitalist blairites in Labour and probably TPTB to smithereens.
qwertboi – I’ve heard that some use self delusion as a coping strategy. Please feel free to get comfort wherever you can.
The fact that Labour intent on using a double meaning shows how they have plumbed the depth of depravity and is again insulting to the members intelligence.A little bit like the disappeared millions and “dont mention it” of the knight led Labour party….Very shoddy all round Steve H Hall.
Joseph – What disparaging millions, are you referring to the cash flow problem that Keir inherited from Corbyn who’s administration was living beyond its means?
Saahtchi and Saathchi having a giraffe, do you think?
WTF?? FFS!!
Forget Feckin Socialism??
I recall many years ago listening to a former TUC GS at a University lecture on the subject of visions. His take succinctly encapsulated the feelings of his audience of at the sharp end shop floor Union activists and Reps., who by this time had already experienced daily over a period of ten years the debilitating effect on organisational effectiveness of this managerialist mantra:
“The only people who have visions are schizophrenics.”
In context this was not so much an un-PC observation as a take on the extent of the damage caused by a particular mindset and its simplistic approach which preceded, as well as summing it up, this analysis by about a decade a half:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2006/mar/12/theobserver.observerbusiness5
In the space of ten years following privatisation we went through ‘Future Shock (Alvin Toffler); Quality Circles; Total Quality Management (TQM); Involving Everyone; and, I kid you not, ‘Big Fat Hairy Adascious Goals.’
Acting LP GS David Even’s self proclaimed ‘Organising to win’ presentation to staff last week, with its ‘agile ceremonies’ buzzword bingo sentence construction, besides taking this bollocks to totally new depths, merely demonstrates the full institutional ideological capture of a Labour Party which, following the jettisoning of its voter base as the wrong kind of voters (spoiler: the undeserving poor), is now turning attention to ridding itself of any functioning human beings as it marches an emasculated shell of an organisation into Coasian Hell.
A Hell which buried Carrillion and will most certainly finish off the LP as a practical and functioning entity.
You can add ‘lean management’, ‘tough love’, ‘culture change’, and more all passing fads included under the label of ‘human resource management’.
This gem from the above provided link neatly sums up just where we are with complete institutional capture of every aspect of UK and Western Society, including the political sphere, of this delusional nonsense:
“If only the facts matter, it shouldn’t matter where they come from. That undercuts the traditional justification for hierarchy: that the boss knows best. Facts force the boss to choose between being ‘in control’ and being right. Many choose the former.
All this sets up a bizarre corporate amnesia – a kind of conspiracy not to learn in which organisations find new ways of repeating mistakes in an endless loop. They are suckers for half-truths – more dangerous than total nonsense because they are not entirely wrong, except when treated as whole truths, in which case they become total bollocks.”
Apart from the obvious – which anybody currently is or who has ever been at the sharp end of this in their daily work grind will attest – a number of other problems are thrown up as a result of those, like Starmer, who epitomise the Peter Principle of having been promoted to the level of their incompetence. One being an emasculation of the organisation as managers who do know their arse from a hole in the ground are systematically removed (followed swiftly by anyone whose reached a certain age related level of real world experience) from the organisation and replaced by people from the bus stop who have not got a clue but are chosen for their guillibility in being assimilated into this malice in blunderland mindset.
Producing an organisation of copers (to cope means to manage) rather than leaders who know how to interface with both real people and the real world.
Another being that there are always and inevitably some simple minded amongst the troops who buy into this nonsense to the extent of being prepared to die in a ditch to defend it.
And what you end up with is an approach in which he key feature is to work towards an objective of doing more and more with less and less until you can do everything with nothing. Seriously, I kid you not, I have occasions in which I’ve used that line as a very obvious piss take on this culture only for the Rupert who has totally bought into this to actually indicate they take that as a serious and desirable approach.
By far the biggest problem for those like Starmer and the cap doffing forelock tugging Uriah Heep’s who one finds cheerleading for what he and the yes men he has surrounded himself with is doing on behalf of the status quo he is seeking to preserve is that the majority of registered voters have had it up to their ears with this nonsense in their daily working lives.
The notion that such people are going to turn out in droves to vote for the same nonsense represents yet another fanciful delusion on the part of those and their cheerleaders who operate on the basis of their own subjective reality.
A problem brought into sharp focus in the past week for a political culture which has got so used to creating and imposing its own made up self- referential reality through entertainment and what passes for news media onto its population that it cannot cope when this trick comes up against reality and those for whom this trick does not work – like the Taliban.
As a result you get security experts at high levels of operation advising their operatives not to look at what’s happening in reality in case it ‘triggers’ them. As though ignoring and not allowing reality to register, like the three ‘wise’ monkeys’, will make it go away.
What this reveals is that we being run by twelve year olds from a school playground. A problem exacerbated by simplistic cheerleaders doing their impersonation of Napoleon’s sidekick in Orwell’s Animal Farm.
Dave Hansell –
“organisations find new ways of repeating mistakes in an endless loop. They are suckers for half-truths –
more dangerous than total nonsense because they are not entirely wrong,
except when treated as whole truths, in which case they become total…” SH**
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windchime – You are more than welcome to try proving that I’m wrong about this. Maybe one of Joseph’s mates up North can give you some inside info.
And performance-related pay, performance management, and reward management. The last replaced the study of pay; pensions (deferred pay) were not discussed except when proposals to cut them were tabled.
I lean towards the idea that it’s his PR company having a quiet piss-take at the expense of the poor demented half-wit of a party leader.
No doubt they got their invoice in quickly before someone tips off the “dear leader” that he’s been had.
If I’m wrong – Then the alternative’s even worse – They’re actually serious.
If they’re serious, then it means that all the rubbish of the brain-dead idiot management consultants at my former company has now surfaced in our once-great party – – – –
– – – – Quality Circles — After my first one I decided my time was better-spent taking a shit.
– – – – Total Quality Management — A joke on which the company spent a fortune.
– – – – Team Working — We already had our team – It was our Union.
History clearly repeats itself in new forums.
It says everything we need to know about Keir Rodney Starmer when we see that rather than copying Corbyn’s wonderful GE2017 strategy whereby Mr Corbyn allowed Labour to recover pretty much the entire 5m votes that Blaire and Brown had previously lost for Labour and even, despite the democratic deformities imbued by FPTP, come within a few thousand votes of winning the election
Why the 2017 manifesto, what was wrong with the 2019 manifesto?
ooops, posted before I finished me sentence…..
““It says everything we need to know about Keir Rodney Starmer when we see that rather than copying Corbyn’s wonderful GE2017 strategy whereby Mr Corbyn allowed Labour to recover pretty much the entire 5m votes that Blaire and Brown had previously lost for Labour and even, despite the democratic deformities imbued by FPTP, come within a few thousand votes of winning the election, Starmer emulates the gormless Theresa May and her atrocious GE17 campaign”.
. WTF= ways to flummox Labour.
Starmer is the anti-Labour, billionaires-backed,Labour leader. More fool us for letting him be.
Why the 2017 manifesto, what was wrong with the 2019 manifesto?
Nothing. Labour lost GE1019 not because of its Manifesto, but because of a powerful clique who woke up daily and planned to frustrate the Labour party’s rediscovered democratic socialism. Mandelson, Starmer, Hodge, Watson, and others put their entire being into false AS accusations and 2nd Referendum demands to render Labour – or, more particularly, Jeremy Corbyn, unelectable at GE19.
The Forde Report is not “delayed” by these people for no reason.
qwertboi – Personally I think the delay is down to the Unions, ask yourself what Ms Oldknow is doing now?
#WTF is trending on twitter, the comments are hillarious and it’s not well received (apparently) Who’d have thought?
Play the lottery, win the future.
lundiel
To win the lottery you have to buy a ticket
These f7ckers won’t commit to anything that has a value to society
I’ve just learnt the Win The Future slogan is second hand and was used by Obama over 10 years ago (Video is on Twitter). Who’d have thunk it?
“Who’d have thunk it?”
True, my new 2017 Labour MP still drives a car on which he has a ‘Obama and Biden’ sticker on the bumper. Shameless!
Win the Future is not a new phrase. Former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich titled his 2005 book, Winning the Future.
Newt Gingrich is a dangerous neo-liberal libertarian. Emulating anything he utters speaks volumes about starmer’s advisers.
Newt….A slimy amphibian.
Keef down to a tee.
Not the first time, either. Remember ‘Stronger Together’, back in June, from Clinton’s failed campaign against Trump?
Just shows the dearth of fresh ideas from the Starmer gang, as well as hinting at their ill-disguised desire to be more like the US Democratic Party. Socialists, my arse!
Wow. Just wow.
‘Win the future’ (again) how appropriate for the second coming – Messiah II on his way – suck up the cinders
“First time as Tragedy, second time as farce….” History/schmistory, it’s all the Blaire Buggers have got!!
qwertboi – ““First time as Tragedy, second time as farce”
That’s a line in Anna Nicole.
So true.
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Can anyone, other than SteveH, see anything positive about Starmer’s WTF? Anything, vaguely, approaching a political vision?
You’d have to be multi-brainwashed, to think there is.
Some one has to do a comedy on this lot. Oh they did I was forgetting ‘The Thick Of It’. But more please, its begging to be satirised to death. Who will play Evans and Starmer is the big question? What can the title be possibly Fighting For Society perhaps?
Unfortunately the most suitable candidates for those roles, Stan Laural and Oliver Hardy, have been dead for too long. Having said that if you did dig them up you wouldn’t notice the difference from the two characters they would be portraying.
And of course it’s not quantum mechanics to work out who would be a natural shoe in for the cheerleading Lord Haw Haw role.
Who will play Evans and Starmer is the big question?
Kinell, even that fat dullard corden, and the gobshite laurence fox aren’t talentless enough to realistically or satirically play those two cretins.
Be better off doing a fly-on-the-wall documentary. Nobody’d know the difference.
Another example of “reassuringly expensive” (£1000/d ? ) “value for money” advice/ consultancy services from TheCampaignCompany ?
Labour’s spend on ‘reassuringly expensive’ neoliberal class enemies like The Campaign Group will be much more than £1k per day. Individuals with specialist knowledge or skills can charge that much per day. TCG is emulating the big-boys like PWV and probably charge nearer $50,000 pd.
They’ll no doubt disguise the spend in their Accounts and Financial Reprts. Although elected by an electoral college of 50% affiliated trade unions and 50% vote of all eligible members of the Labour Party., the left did not, IIIRC, win the Treaurer election on the NEC.
WTF indeed…You’ve got it ALL wrong again, keef.
It has about as much appeal as:
‘Be like wee stevie and vote starmerist labour.’
WTF = What the Trilateral commission Finks.
That photo speaks volume on how far the current leadership is totally out of touch with the general public and to have a lady holding a dated flag proves it.
Bill – I’m guessing you haven’t realised that the ‘photo’ is just a rather crude photoshop. It is pretty obvious.
The picture speaks a thousand words of insults and offensive language to the members…Photo shop?…You really are relatively simple arnt you Steve H Hall..
Joseph – Although it would explain a lot I do find it difficult to accept that you are really that gullible. You are making yourself look silly.
Steve H Hall davidh… The biggest problem is not just the explanatory photo but the innuendo of gutter language in what’s supposed to be a once proud and respected Labour party.I served office i and its shaming for me personally to see the Labour party name dragged through the mud with your misfits degenerate comments.The ruddy flushed complexion gives a insight to the years of liquid lunches and probably explicit filth from his blistered mouth.You lot really are lowlifes ..!
Joseph – If you’re dumb enough to get worked up about an obviously photoshoped image then it is your problem nobody else’s. What a numpty you are.
Out of touch Bill ? More like intentional. Read this about the Apsana Begum trial, if she was a Blairite and a Zionist this wouldn’t have happened.
“It felt like political persecution’: Labour’s Apsana Begum on the trauma of her criminal trial”
https://web.archive.org/web/20210823060856/https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/aug/23/it-felt-like-political-persecution-labour-mp-apsana-begum-trauma-criminal-trial
Quite fitting really. WTF is exactly what I thought when I read the last meaningless gobbledegook that he put out on agile ceremonies, or some such rubbish.
Good on ya Lyne Dye you can see the entertainment in the comody . of the steve h hall davidh centrist Dad and probably even more aliases m the boiler room cranks of the knight of the realm.Like many of us you see the disgusting attempt to justify the indefensible. !
Carol O’Keefe – Thanks for your input 🤣
ps – Have you found any proof yet that I have ever posted on here using a different account or used any aliases. You keep making these silly accusation and so far you haven’t stepped up with any evidence?
Who is this Hall gut you keep obsessing about?
Steve H Hall dont insult my wife of over fifty years just because she posts on her own name and we are as one .Somthing a parasite would not understand ,but neither of us post on the same website or pretend like you and use aliasis to back up a argument .I use my full name and I am proud of having fought (litterly in different countries but always against the establishment and Labour scabs like you..You should add to the argument but I am beginning to think that you are little more than a paid right wing troll in exile in the windward islands.
Well said Joseph.
Joseph – I haven’t insulted your wife in any way whatsoever. It is a bit rich of you to come over all precious when you continually make completely baseless accusations that you can’t evidence. Thanks for reminding us again that you were once upon a time a councillor.
Joseph – I’ll let you all know when we get to what is now our one and only home in the West Indies.
Dont put yourself out stevie boy we all noticed the disappearing on bot sentinel and Squawkbox whilst you legged it to the Caribbean bolt hole and sobered up.Now lets get back to the nightmare you and the misfit parasites created for the Labour party.I realise that the time difference between uk and Caribbean time suits you and gives you more time to lie through your back teeth but I will ensure that the bullshit you spout doesn’t miss the health warning..I often find that with family around the globe its a matter of time and effort….so hopefully we will hear less from your shill commentary and propaganda.and more from.genuine sincere posters who are not paid for commenting
Joseph – You are more than welcome to try.
ps – I was gone for a couple of days when we delivered our cars to the shipping agent and then we stopped off in London on the way back to see family and friends. I’ll let you know when we get there. It won’t be long now.
Dont worry Steve H Hall…you should be able to bullshit the locals being more genuine than the plonkers you hang around with.Try not to exploit the locals and I am sure that the dodgy tax fiddlers will not be impressed with a cap doffing Yokel from out west?None the less I don’t see you hacking it with the lifestyle so different from intimidating claiments as a job centre advisor from?Now give it six months and you will be back?again making life a misery for decent human beings.
joseph – Thanks for your concern but our circumstances are very different from yours so I doubt that we will face the same difficulties that you have experienced.