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Tories announce they’ll no longer publish daily figure of people tested – after not publishing it for SEVEN weeks anyway

The Tories have announced that they will no longer be publishing a figure for the number of people tested for the coronavirus. The ‘mainstream’ outlets that have covered it are treating this like it’s news.

But the SKWAWKBOX revealed at the end of May that the Tories had long since stopped publishing a figure – and as of their announcement that they are going to ‘stop’, they hadn’t published one for seven weeks.

Unite’s Howard Beckett, one of the chief figures on the left still holding the government to account, spotted this evasion of accountability:

Claims about the number of people tested have always been meaningless anyway, with the Tories regularly fiddling the figures in order to pretend they had met promised targets of first 100,000, then 200,000 people a day – which they changed after the fact to tests per day and included tests simply sent out in the post and not yet completed.

None of this, of course, will stop them claiming to have reached new heights – or that they are fully transparent with the people of this country.

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86 comments

  1. Gets stammer’s approval, does it? I mean doesn’t he support this governemnts efforts in tackling coronavirus?

    Or is stammer gonna merely ask ‘why?’ at PMQ’s’ and then be hailed by the lazy media as some sort of ‘forensic deconstructor’ that puts Quincy M.E. to shame??

    (And I’ll bet this ‘£1000 to hire an unpaid apprentice’ scam that sunak’s come out with, gets the greasy one’s approval, too..The tory-mimicking twunt)

    1. Finally ‘government’ scientists concede today that aerosol transmission (not just ‘droplet’) is possible when it’s been obvious since day 1.
      They’re still claiming that open areas are safe and that only enclosed spaces are not, which still trivialises the danger – with aerial transmission you can be infected outdoors if you’re unlucky enough to breathe in enough of the virus exhaled by someone fifty feet away.
      It’s been obvious since the beginning that people will avoid anyone sneezing or coughing – the only way ‘droplets’ are expelled.
      The wearing of masks has been trivialised to take attention away from PPE shortages and many lives have been lost as a direct result.
      Last time I was in the supermarket there wasn’t one other person wearing a mask and that’s entirely because of the Tories’ criminal incompetence in claiming they were unnecessary.

    1. Tell that to the Leicester Council and its councillors and see what they have to say in response ! OK so lets see how you explain away the inconvenient facts of the spike in CV 19 in Leicester requiring it to go into lockdown again.
      NO NO don’t bother please , we all know what it will be ” everything is a lie , the rest if the world is wrong and all scientist except the quacks you choose are right … fckn YAWNNN

      You see if the P2 test had been made available then there would have been a different outcome ,like no further spikes and lockdown precautions remaining in place to counter it.
      I hope that sooner rather than later we get a vaccine and we can all shut th efuck up over it

  2. 80% of those infected show no symptoms, it’s been with us since November, why are we not all dead,
    My daughter had it in January and now has immunity, but she is a health care worker, so has to accept she has passed it on, along with her colleagues, who equally had no clue,
    Austerity runs health service into ground
    This is pure politics not public health, Social Care was handed over to private sector, profit before lives
    Change language
    When you add in Covid19, Austerity has now killed how many people

    1. ”Austerity has now killed how many people”

      Not enough poor people, according to the architects of it.

      Ask starkey in a few years, and he’ll tell you: ‘Too many damn poor people survived C-19 – and they’re still here’.

      1. Starkey will say not enough Black people
        So what does the Tory party say about one of theirs, if he’s not a member I’m sure they can fast track him

      2. The virus, assuming it’s man-made, does appear to be targeted at non-Caucasians…

      3. Timfrom: That at least is suggestive of the virus not being engineered in a Chinese bioweapons lab, then, as some have claimed

      4. I personally lean toward it being entirely natural. Evolution throws up some remarkable things, after all.

        My main counter to the ‘Covid is manmade’ theory is, basically, how stupid do you have to be to create a bioweapon and not create the vaccine at the same time?

      5. If your objective is to reduce the population a tad, then give it a while for the panic to take hold before releasing an eagerly-awaited/accepted vaccine with nanochips to control the remainder, not stupid at all!

      6. If they had the kind of ‘nanochips’ your comment implies, they wouldn’t need the virus.

      7. To convince so many billions to accept the vaccine (and cash in on the biggest payday in history), you need some motivating scenario. Can you think of one better than the one we’re living through…?

      8. I’ve heard a lot about these nanochips. What, exactly, are they supposed to do? Because it’s never made particularly clear, other than allowing Bill Gates to take over the world in some unspecified manner.

      9. The wavelength of light is a limiting factor on Moore’s Law – it also limits the functionality of theorised ‘nanochips’.
        ‘Chips’ – integrated circuits – require a power source, which to be nano-sized would need to be either biological or of such novelty that on a large scale it could easily power the whole world – both of which are pure science fiction for many reasons, not least because the wavelength of light and the size of atoms are immutable.
        You assume they’ll be injectable – if they’re injectable they can more easily be ingested orally, which means they could be introduced into our food or a pill.
        No need whatever for the extra complication of a virus.
        All of which just goes to show how incredibly ignorant the proponents of conspiracy theories are.
        Don’t ask for evidence, this comment is just the result of two minutes’ thought by someone with some slight familiarity with the laws of physics.

      10. Does this sound plausible? F(“sticker”, read “nano-particle”, I’m guessing)

        Passive RFID (radio frequency identification) uses a reader that transmits a very powerful low-frequency RF signal to an RFID sticker. This sticker is made only of metal and silicone (think of the stickers you’ve seen in library books) and has no battery. The electrons in the RFID sticker become excited and begin to flow from the signal, causing the chip to wake up and transmit back to the reader at a much higher frequency.

      11. That should read (For “sticker”, read “, nano-particle”, I’m guessing)

      12. I’m not a believer in the nanochip theory, trust me (nor in the manmade/deliberately released virus theory, either). I was mainly just curious as to what people think these chips would actually be for, and why anyone would bother.

        I had a friend when I was younger who was convinced that the Earth is flat, and anything demonstrating otherwise was all part of a massive conspiracy by Them. Whenever he went off on one about it, I’d just ask why They were so keen to conceal the Earth’s flatness. Never really got much of an answer to that.

      13. From the Global Research site, try this:

        Another hypothesis, at this point only a hypothesis, but a realistic one, is that along with the vaccination – if not with this one, then possibly with a later one, a nano-chip may be injected, unknown to the person being vaccinated. The chip may be remotely charged with all your personal data, including bank accounts – digital money. Yes, digital money that’s what “they” are aiming at, so you really have no control any more over your health and other intimate data, but also over your earnings and spending. Your money could be blocked, or taken away – as a ‘sanction’ for misbehavior, for swimming against the stream. You may become a mere slave of the masters. Comparatively, feudalism may appear like a walk in the park.

        It’s not for nothing that Dr. Tedros, DG of WHO, said a few days ago, we must move towards digital money, because physical paper and coin money can spread diseases, especially endemic diseases, like the coronavirus. A precursor for things to come? – Or for things already here? – In many Scandinavian countries cash is largely banned and even a bar of chocalate can be paid only electronically.

        We are moving towards a totalitarian state of the world. This is part of Agenda ID2020 – and these steps to be implemented now – prepared since long, including by the coronavirus computer simulation at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore on 18 October 2019, sponsored by the WEF and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

        Bill Gates, one of the chief advocates of vaccinations for everybody, especially in Africa – is also a huge advocate of population reduction. Population reduction is among the goals of the elite within the WEF, the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgens – and a few more. The objective: fewer people (a small elite) can live longer and better with the reduced and limited resources Mother Earth is generously offering.

        This had openly been propagated already in the 1960s and 70s by Henry Kissinger, Foreign Secretary in de Nixon Administration, a co-engineer of the Vietnam war, and main responsible for the semi-clandestine bombing of Cambodia, a genocide of millions of unarmed Cambodian civilians. Along with the CIA-Kissinger engineered coup on 9/11, 1973, in Chile, killing the democratically elected Salvador Allende and putting the military dictator Pinochet in power, Kissinger has committed war crimes. Today, he is a spokesman (so to speak) for Rockefeller and their “Bilderberger Society”.

        More than Just a Virus
        Two weeks after the computer simulation at Johns Hopkins Medical Center in Baltimore, Maryland, that “produced” (aka simulated) 65 million deaths (!), the COVID-19 virus first appeared in Wuhan. By now it is almost certain that the virus was brought to Wuhan from outside, most likely from a bio-war lab in the US.

      14. Capitalism doesn’t need ‘nanochips’ to build totalitarian states, it only needs control of the media, governments and their armies – which it already has.
        Population control is absolutely essential to the future of humanity but must be voluntary and therefore achieved through education, either formally over a period or all at once by some global event so shocking and so obviously caused by human action that it conclusively proves the need for control.

        Writers of science fiction have theorised some entertaining and even insightful stuff over the years, but the kind of conspiracy theories you’re parroting are designed to confuse, not encourage serious thought about the real nature of capitalism and what to do about it.

      15. Well don’t forget, those writers wrote primarily not just to entertain but to warn future generations with their insights. They certainly weren’t wrong to anticipate a future much like the one we’re living in now, were they?

  3. The chief medical U.K. officer said the vast majority of the population will not get Corona-19 of those that do the overwhelming majority’s symptoms will be so mild that they don’t know they have it, a smaller number will have very mild symptoms and a very small number maybe hospitalised and unfortunately a very small number will die. The NHS have published data which confirms this as with other independent medical centres.

    Whilst the MSM, the State Broadcaster have been whipping up frantic hysteria about the “ pandemic “, the economy is in free fall and the 3,000,000 officially unemployed, the 16,000,000 people living in poverty of those about 4,000,000 are children, the 220,000 homeless plus the almost 1,0000,000 food parcels handed out to many who are the working poor, will see their number greatly increased because of totally unnecessary incarceration measures which have benefited the banks, the hedge funds, very very wealthy investors to the tune of about £242,000,000,000 via QE.

    What was the song the Who sang, WE DON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN!

  4. Nobody else’s economy ‘in freefall’ then? Debt can be written off at the stroke of a pen, or the push of a button, seeing as it’s a mere fiction anyway ffs.

    Lives can’t – and aren’t,.

    We may as well not bother testing anyone at all if most are ‘only’ gonna get ‘mild’ symptoms – if any, eh? I mean, those frontline nhs staff will only infect those already in hospital with ther underlying illnesses. Those shopworkers will only infect their workmates & customers, and the most they’ll be off for is a week with their non-existent symptoms, isn’t it?

    Ffs.

    1. Wall Street, the Banks, financial houses and some gigantic corporations have received $6,000,000,000,000 whilst the recently unemployed have received $1200. Unemployment because of lockdown is now over 40,000,000. There are over 500,000 homeless people meaning without any type of accommodation ie living in temporarily in hostels. There are nearly 28,000,000 people without any health insurance. So it appears the US is ahead of the US but the U.K. is striving to catch up.

      When the chief U.K. medical officer states the vast majority of the population won’t get COVID 19 and a very small percentage of people who have it, who by a very long way are over 80 and by a very long way have 2 or more very serious illnesses, and unfortunately, will die ( did they did stop dying before 2020) . Does it justify, causing a huge increase in homelessness, a huge increase in people living in desperation, and a huge increase in hunger plus malnutrition because of a totally unnecessary lockdown which has only benefited the banks, the hedge funds and very very wealthy investors.

      Welcome to feudalism.

      The conditions are ripe for another inspiring author to repeat George Orwell’s masterpiece The Road to Wigan Pier.

      Who said history doesn’t repeat itself!

  5. This is what David Crabtree of Crabtree Care Homes in West Yorkshire had to say about Johnson on today’s GMB

    David Crabtree, who owns Crabtree Care Homes, criticised Mr Johnson and the government during a debate on Good Morning Britain today. The Prime Minister said yesterday that “too many” care homes had not followed the correct procedures during the pandemic. Downing Street has since declined to apologise for Mr Johnson’s previous comments.

    Crabtree Care Homes have residential sites across the district including Bradford, Ilkley, Silsden and Keighley and have reported 13 residents who have died with coronavirus during the crisis.

    Mr Crabtree said: “We followed the procedures.

    “He (Mr Johnson) has picked the wrong fight with the wrong people. This is huge.

    “Care home staff have dedicated every day to this. We did not cross-infect, or move people who we thought had covid. These care staff were PPE’d up since February.

    “Mr Johnson, you are responsible. You are despicable for saying such a things against care home staff who were fighting to save these people’s lives.

    “We were left out to dry. They would not test our staff, they would not test our residents.

    “The government said we were on a war footing over this. They blew the whistle and we went over the top for them. We feel like we have been thrown under the bus.

    “Mr Johnson, you said you wanted to look after them, but you did nothing. You are demeaning them.

    “This is an appalling situation.”

    ‘We’re mentally and physically tired.’

    1. Change the language
      You wait for ages then Tory party throws you under a bus
      Prime Minister you are a liar and a charlatan

      1. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-27-000-excess-deaths-likely-between-now-and-next-april-warns-former-government-adviser-12021625

        (short video)
        Sir David (Independant Ssge) said: “What we are saying is 27,000 excess deaths are likely between now and next April if the expectation by the chief medical officer is that he would be surprised and delighted if the UK is in the same place next spring.

        “If he’s correct we would still have about 2,000 to 3,000 new infections in England per day and that is the number of deaths that would follow from that.”

        He said the rate of new infections is “almost entirely preventable and absolutely unacceptable and immoral” and said the group has called for a “zero COVID UK” and published a new report on Sunday.

        What does Starmer have to say about this? There should be a genral strike!

  6. “Believers in conspiracy theories tend to reject official versions of the truth, to read intention into seemingly random events, and to view unrelated events as interconnected. As such, conspiracy theories provide a framework for interpreting unpredictable and bewildering events taking place across the world. It’s no surprise, then, that belief in conspiracies tends to spike in popularity during times of turmoil, crisis and upheaval.

    There is also a frisson that accompanies uncovering supposedly forbidden information: the sense that one is unravelling some hidden truth can be addictive. David Aaronovitch, author of Voodoo Histories: The Role of Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History, highlights a narcissistic element here, as conspiracy theories enable believers to inhabit the role of selfless “truth-seekers”. They are heroically struggling against shadowy forces, superior to a supposedly sheep-like (“sheeple”), brainwashed public that accepts the false official versions of events.

    1. It’s a frission we could do without sometimes, believe me!

      Well-known right-winger Aaronovitch uses the narcissism slur in order to play the man and not the ball. You got anyone more credible?

      1. Does Self-Love or Self-Hate Predict Conspiracy Beliefs? Narcissism, Self-Esteem, and the Endorsement of Conspiracy Theories
        Abstract
        Across three studies, we examined the role of self-evaluation in predicting conspiracy beliefs. Previous research linked the endorsement of conspiracy theories to low self-esteem. We propose that conspiracy theories should rather be appealing to individuals with exaggerated feelings of self-love, such as narcissists, due to their paranoid tendencies. In Study 1, general conspiracist beliefs were predicted by high individual narcissism but low self-esteem. Study 2 demonstrated that these effects were differentially mediated by paranoid thoughts, and independent of the effects of collective narcissism. Individual narcissism predicted generalized conspiracist beliefs, regardless of the conspiracy theories implicating in-group or out-group members, while collective narcissism predicted belief in out-group but not in-group conspiracies. Study 3 replicated the effects of individual narcissism and self-esteem on the endorsement of various specific conspiracy theories and demonstrated that the negative effect of self-esteem was largely accounted for by the general negativity toward humans associated with low self-esteem.
        https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550615616170

      2. I wonder where they carried out their studies? Eastern Europe, perhaps? Doesn’t sound like any conspiracy theorists I know and indeed seems like a glib bullshit binary choice (narcissism or low self-esteem) designed to denigrate believers. In fact even the merely intrigued, which is my position. I’m just planting seeds. Whether people want to water them is up to them.

      3. timfrom 09/07 at 12:33 am – If you don’t like this one a simple Google search reveals multiple alternatives that reach similar conclusions. Feel free to take your pick..

      4. brianbotou – Well you’ve done a good job of attacking the messenger, but you’ve studiously avoided mentioning the message. Did you not bother to read the published academic paper that I’ve referred to in my post at 6:08pm

    2. The Integrity Initiative (II), funded by the UK, US governments and NATO, played a central role in efforts to discredit and remove Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

      Ostensibly based in a former mill in Fife, Scotland, the Integrity Initiative has all the hallmarks of a covert MI5/MI6 intelligence black ops. It was launched in 2015 by the Institute of Statecraft (IoS), a supposedly “independent” think tank and charity. But after first being granted £296,500 in 2017-18 by the Foreign Office, this financial year the Integrity Initiative will receive nearly seven times that amount—£1,961,000. The Integrity Initiative also receives hundreds of thousands of pounds from NATO. One of its founder funders was Facebook.

      David Aaronovitch is a British propagandist, broadcaster and author. He is a regular columnist for The Times. He was listed on leaked documents from the Integrity Initiative

      The names of at least nine journalists include four from Rupert Murdoch’s Times/Sunday Times, which has played a central role in the anti-Corbyn smear campaign—Deborah Haynes, David Aaronovitch, Dominic Kennedy and Edward Lucas. Also named is leading Guardian columnist and leader writer, Natalie Nougayrede, who was previously the executive editor and managing editor of French daily Le Monde. The other journalists named are the BBC’s Jonathan Marcus, Neil Buckley of the Financial Times and a freelancer, Bruce Jones.

      https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/exposed-the-establishment-facebook-and-mainstream-journalists-gang-up-against-democracy/

      David Aaronovitch is fully paid up lackey of the establishment who supported the war in Iraq, continued to support it, despite the dodgy dossier, the 45 minutes to doooom. Suggest you look elsewhere to find a suitable source to a seek smearing strategies!

      1. I suspect he fully endorsed the description made by that horrible woman judge of Julian Assange as “narcissistic”!

      2. brianbotou – Incidentally the quote in my OP at 5:18pm is not from David Aaronovitch, it is an extract from an article by Joe Mulhall a Senior Researcher at Hope Not Hate.
        https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2020/07/01/no-laughing-matter/

        Dr Joe Mulhall is Senior Researcher at HOPE not hate. Formerly he was a visiting lecturer at Royal Holloway, University of London where he also completed his PhD on the postwar far right. He has published extensively on the international far right and discussed his research on the BBC, CNN and Channel 4 news among others

    3. Conspiracy theory” is a pejorative applied to ideas which challenge an official narrative; people interested in them are termed “conspiracy theorists”. This usage stems from the US deep state’s efforts to promote the “lone nut” theory of the JFK assassination. The concept was later developed into a general purpose enemy image used to try to prevent the connection of deep events that the commercially-controlled media presented as isolated incidents.

      The phrase was occasionally used before but its modern pejorative connotations stem from efforts within the US government to cover up the JFK assassination. The phrase appears in a November 1963 memo by the US Deputy Attorney General, Nicholas Katzenbach, and later in a 1968 CIA internal memo that explains how Operation Mockingbird “assets in the media” are attempting to “counter criticism of the Warren Report”.

      https://wikispooks.com/w/images/0/0c/Document_Countering_Criticism_of_the_Warren_Report.jpg

      1. brianbotou – “Conspiracy theory” is a pejorative applied to ideas which challenge an official narrative;”

        So what? Does any of this prove that the findings of this paper about conspiracy theorists having a tendency to be puffed up narcissists untrue.

      2. You’re not going to win any debate on here quoting a document produced by the George Soros-funded Hope Not Hate. Try again.

      3. timfrom – Many people have responded to my initial post and despite many attempts to discredit the messenger by association there has been a somewhat surprisingly universal reluctance to address the issues raised and actually point out what and why they disagree with the actual contents of the article. Please feel free to buck the trend.

      4. Why don’t I agree? Because it doesn’t correspond with reality, that’s why, no matter how much your lot would like it to.

        As the song goes, “Just cos you feel it/Doesn’t mean it’s there”. Extra points for naming the song. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got better things to do…

  7. You go from ‘nanochips’ to near-field RFID devices without pause as if they were equivalent – RFID has been commonplace for over a decade – pets carry them as ID and so do contactless credit/debit cards, employee clock cards, all kinds of things.
    What they have in common is extremely short range – a fatal flaw in terms of population control.
    Nanochips are still theory and you proposed we’d be controlled by them. There are facial ID cameras and NPR cameras already so you clearly meant control, not just identification.
    Again – shrinking ‘nanochips’ that carry more than just a few digits will face the wavelength problem – it limits the precision of laser etching, which is how ‘chips’ are made, and that limits the size to which the tech can be ‘shrunk’.
    In other words, the more complex the device, the larger physically it must be.
    ‘Chip’ technology – actually Integrated Circuit technology – last time I looked was still a long way from hitting the final barrier of light wavelength, but not far enough to propose microscopic complex devices in this universe.
    This universe’s physical laws simply don’t permit it.

    1. Interesting stuff. Lowers my stress levels a little! Thanks, David, I try to take all sides into consideration.

    2. Although regarding “What they have in common is extremely short range – a fatal flaw in terms of population control”, I believe that’s where 5G comes into the equation, for handling the vast flow of data created around the world by this de facto bio-surveillance grid.

  8. We bargain away our freedoms for convenience all the time.
    We accept cookies, phones that can track us, facial recognition cameras in shops, NPR cameras that can track our vehicles, GCHQ that can monitor us virtually 24/7.
    The “short range” of RFID is inches, not yards.
    To power a device with radio waves (which is how RFID works) at more than a few inches would take a LOT of power – depending on the frequency and power, a radio transmitter antenna can give you a wicked burn if you touch it. Google “RF burn.”
    Stand right next to a large powerful transmitting antenna whether it’s 2, 3, 4, 5G or many other frequency bands and it might damage you by heating – but you’d feel it happening and move away, and it dissipates within a few feet.
    My SSB radio transmitting at 150 Watts halfway across the world would give anyone touching its antenna a deep RF burn but no harm from standing next to it.

    The real question is, “Why would they bother with nanochips when they can control us very effectively with just the media?”

  9. Steve H. You cited amongst others David Aaronovitch who is a propagandist for the establishment, who is cited in the integrity initiative document as being part of a group orchestrated by the establishment to discredit via disinformation, disparaging articles and downright lies Jeremy Corbyn plus anyone else who questions their avarice. It follows a similar pattern I have noticed.

    1. brianbotou – The quote in my OP at 5:19pm yesterday is not from David Aaronovitch, it is an extract from an article by Joe Mulhall a Senior Researcher at Hope Not Hate that happens to refer to Aaronovitch. You should read the full article, here’s the link.
      https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2020/07/01/no-laughing-matter/

      Dr Joe Mulhall is Senior Researcher at HOPE not hate. Formerly he was a visiting lecturer at Royal Holloway, University of London where he also completed his PhD on the postwar far right. He has published extensively on the international far right and discussed his research on the BBC, CNN and Channel 4 news among others

      1. You said as part of your post .

        ‘ David Aaronovitch, author of Voodoo Histories: The Role of Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History, highlights a narcissistic element here, as conspiracy theories enable believers to inhabit the role of selfless “truth-seekers”. They are heroically struggling against shadowy forces, superior to a supposedly sheep-like (“sheeple”),….’

        And I said “ Steven. H. You cited amongst others David Aaronovitch who is a propagandist for the establishment, who is cited in the integrity initiative document as being part of a group orchestrated by the establishment to discredit via disinformation, disparaging articles and downright lies against Jeremy plus anyone else who questions their avarice. It follows a similar pattern I have noticed.”

        I suggest you read what you have written and what I have written instead of inventing things.

  10. Steve H. 12.46am, ” so what”. You use the term ” conspiracy theory ” quite frequently in your posts, yet until I pointed out to you no concept of why, who and what is designed to do when first popularised in the public domain. So let me make it as simple as possible for you to grasp since you fail to understand why it’s used. Its applied to thwart debate to prevent a discussion on a given topic by smearing the opponent just like you frequently try to do.

    1. Correction: ….yet until I pointed it out to you, you had no concept of why, who and ……

    2. Steve H, 1.03pm 9.07.2020. Just to repeat in case you misread it the first time. You use the term “ conspiracy theory” quite frequently in your posts ……..” “ so let’s make it as simple as possible for you to grasp since you fail to understand why it’s used. It’s applied to thwart debate to prevent a given topic by smearing just like you frequently try to do. “

      And here is very famous example of how it was applied

      https://wikispooks.com/w/images/0/0c/Document_Countering_Criticism_of_the_Warren_Report.jpg

      1. brianbotou – Methinks you do protest too loudly, the tone of your comment suggests that you identify closely with the character traits described in the Hope Not Hate article.

  11. Steve H. 9.06pm. A suitable line would be for you a Comedy of Errors. Alas, you never read either your own or other people’s comments properly. As your old headmaster should have said to you , must try harder at reading comprehension, unfortunately, he didn’t and to misquote Frank Zappa you are now the Mother of Inventions!!!

    1. brianbotou – I’ve not invented anything, I’ve simply highlighted that a number of personality traits have been identified as being prevalent amongst the protagonists of conspiracy theories. However I do find it rather gratifying that your responses appear to confirm these findings.

      1. Oh dear, you are confirming once again to be and I am sorry to say this, but living in an make believe land ( I could use more uncharitable terms but I believe in socialism). I have quoted what you said in part of your post to prove in response to what I said was accurate. Unfortunately, you cannot except the reality of what you have said. Therefore, you are inventing things and it’s not the first time. Get a grip man.

      2. brianbotou – If you’ve got an issue with the actual contents of the article I have linked to then please feel free to tell is all what and why.

  12. Just to remind you in case you want to start inventing things again. Here is the citation you used amongst others.

    David Aaronovitch, author of Voodoo Histories: The Role of Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History, highlights a narcissistic element here, as conspiracy theories enable believers to inhabit the role of selfless “truth-seekers”. They are heroically struggling against shadowy forces, superior to a supposedly sheep-like (“sheeple”), brainwashed public that accepts the false official versions of events.

    And here is what I said. “ Steve H. You cited amongst others David Aaronovitch….”

    It seems you can’t take good advice. Stop inventing things there’s a good chap!

    1. brianbotou – I think we’ve all got the message that you don’t like Aaronovitch.
      Instead of fixating on the author of the article referencing Aaronovitch’s book can you manage to address anything of substance that you disagree with in the article that I’ve linked to.

      1. Dear oh dear, like shifting sands you try to wriggle and squirm to avoid the sinking swamp you have created by your own invention. Just to remind you of what you actually have written in part and how I responded to it.

        ‘ David Aaronovitch author of Voodoo Histories:The Role of Shaping Modern History, highlights, as conspiracy theories enable believers to inhabit the role of selfless “ truth seekers”. They are heroically struggling against shadowy forces, superior to a supposedly sheep -like ( “ sheeple”)..”

        “ And I said “ Steven. H. You cited amongst others David Aaronovitch, who is cited in the integrity document as being part of a group orchestrated by the establishment to discredit via disinformation, disparaging articles and downright lies against Jeremy plus anyone else who questions their avarice. It follows a similar pattern I have noticed.”

        Now, whilst you continue to wriggle and squirm and invent things, I shall have to let you continue for a while in your own morass of unreality. Inventing things which people have said whilst denying things you have said. No doubt your feverish mind will be working on some new inventive angle.

  13. SteveH. 12.07.2020 at 7.39am. “ I guess that’s a No then”. Just to clarify who you CITED amongst others was DAVID AARONOVITCH.You cited him quoted him amongst others and yet, live in denial of WHAT HE HAS SAID. That is DAVID AARONOVITCH in case your reading comprehension can’t extend past the first few sentences. So just to help you recall what you actually CITED ABOUT DAVID AARONOVITCH here it is

    “ David Aaronovitch, author of Voodoo Histories: The Role of Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History, highlights a narcissistic element here, as conspiracy theories enable believers to inhabit the role of selfless’ truth seekers’. They are heroically struggling against shadowy forces superior to a supposedly sheep-like ( “ sheeple”) brainwashed public that accepts the false official versions of events.”

    You wrote this on the 8.07.2020 at 5.19 pm.

    And I said “ Steve H. You cited amongst others David Aaronovitch who is a propagandist for the establishment, who is cited in the integrity initiative document as being part of a group orchestrated by the establishment to discredit via disinformation, disparaging articles and downright lies against Jeremy plus anyone else who questions their avarice. It follows a similar pattern I have noticed.”

    So let’s make it elementary. 1. Did you CITE AMONGST OTHERS DAVID AARONOVITCH. YES OR NO. Answer yes you did.

    2. Did DAVID AARONOVITCH write a book “ Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History” to give it’s full title. YES OR NO. Answer yes he did.

    3. Did I respond to the CITATION YOU INCLUDED AMONGST OTHERS IN YOUR POST ABOUT DAVID AARONOVITCH. YES OR NO. Answer yes I did.

    4. Have you answered the accusations I have made with proof about DAVID AARONOVITCH being a propagandist for the establishment, cited in the Integrity Initiative Document. YES OR NO. Answer no you have not.

    Conclusion. You are studiously pretending that you have not actually cited amongst others DAVID AARONOVITCH by refusing to defend or refute WHAT DAVID AARONOVITCH HAS WRITTEN FROM THE EXCERT FROM HIS BOOK THAT YOU CITED AMONGST OTHERS IN YOUR POST.

    If you cannot defend what you have written, don’t post it. There’s a good chap. Let’s hope you learn that lesson for the future.

    1. brianbotou – It’s a bit pathetic that you are still obsessing about the same thing, is that really all you’ve got to latch onto from the article I linked to. What else do you disagree with and why. Or are we to take it that apart from the reference to Aaronovitch you agree with the rest of the contents?

      Oh, and please spare us all yet another meaningless rant on the same subject. I think we’ve all got the message by now and whilst it is obviously central to your whole existence I’m bored with the repetition

      1. So you cannot defend or refute what you have written hence your only solace is to avoid your own handy work, condemned by your own finger unable to have the backbone to face up to your own propaganda or whoever’s propaganda your are promulgating. It’s not the first time you have been caught out and by the way you have responded on another thread it won’t be the last. I said Aaronovitch was a propagandist and it seems you follow in his footsteps. Next time get your supervisor to check your post before you post such elementary balderdash. There’s a good lad!!!

      2. SteveH, I wouldn’t rely on you having any “we” to fall back on round these parts!

  14. “ As far as I am concerned I have no reason to either defend or refute..”. Therefore, nobody can be expected to believe a word you write since you refuse to acknowledge what you have written in regards to Aaronovitch. You are a fraud now go and scuttle off to what ever propaganda place you have crawled out of and ask your supervisor to check your posts from now as they are prone to elementary mistakes. There’s a good lad!

    1. brianbotou – If all else fails with the numpties they can be relied on to fall back on that tired old meme. WGAF what you think.

      1. “…what do you think.”. It appears you are unable to grasp, comprehend, understand because you are unable to defend what you have written about the establishment propagandist,cited in the initiative integrity document Aaronovitch that you are indeed a propagandist Q.E.D. Now, if you have the backbone to defend what you have written and cited about him. I would be willing to read it objectively. However. It seems you have dug such a deep hole for yourself, you cannot climb out of it. A word to the wise son check with your supervisor before making citations again and then you won’t seem so imbecilic. Have a nice day😁

      2. briabotou – I’m not the saddo proselytising out of date misinformation, you should be ashamed of yourself.

        This is what the CDC says
        •CDC recommends that people wear cloth face coverings in public settings and when around people who don’t live in your household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.
        •Cloth face coverings may help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.
        •Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of COVID-19 when they are widely used by people in public settings.
        •Cloth face coverings should NOT be worn by children under the age of 2 or anyone who has trouble breathing, is unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.

        https://skwawkbox.org/2020/07/12/as-distancing-discipline-breaks-down-across-the-nation-why-wont-starmer-wear-a-mask/#comment-152097

  15. The information you posted was at the beginning of May. This is what the CDC are saying now 28/06/2020. Knowingly spreading misinformation about health issues is a dangerous, despicable and contemptible thing to do. You should be ashamed of yourself.”

    Now, are you saying that the information that the CDC posted at the beginning of May was not true? In addition, you have found an update from them which is commendable.

    However, you may or may have not noticed that I also used more than source ie the studies from virologists, doctors, medical institutions and the University of East Anglia Study concerning the effectiveness of face masks from the May.
    Dated. Updated: July 2020; https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    Are you saying that the information from the University of East Anglia is not true?

    I am still waiting for you defend what you cited about Aaronovitch and note I said he was an establishment propagandist and cited in the integrity initiative document. Are you saying this is not true! Well, I can see hell will freeze over before you have the courage to answer that question. No backbone eh!

  16. Because of your lack of reading comprehension, you missed a key point, the second article it was about INFLUENZA NOT ABOUT COVID 19. Here you can read it again. As I asked you is the second article false? Are you saying what they said is crap?

    “ We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility. “

    However, you still have not answered the question I asked. Namely, Aaronovitch is an establishment propagandist and cited in the integrity initiative document. Well, are you going to defend what you have written about him or not? Have some backbone man.

    1. brianbotou – Are you trying to make a virtue out of quoting an article that references irrelevant information. 😏

      I thought I’d made it clear as far as I’m concerned I have nothing to justify. What you think given your woeful performance is irrelevant to me. Please feel free to rant on to your hearts content with your petty obsession

      1. I was referring to the statement from CDC that face masks are ineffective against influenza and the statement from the University of East Anglia and various medical virologists, professors doctors, institutions that face masks are not very effective against Covid-19. Moreover, you have made a citation concerning Aaronvitch, who as I have repeatedly stated is an establishment propagandist and is cited in the integrity initiative document with proof, yet, you cannot defend what you have written about him. Your posts are worthless. I would look for another occupation as a propagandist you are totally transparent😊

      2. brianbotou – Please feel free to carry on desperately trying to spin publishing out of date crap and pretending that an item on how effective face masks are against a different class of virus is relevant. I’m quite happy to watch you making a prat of yourself. Have fun numpty.

  17. Hmm, so now what the CDC stated about the effectiveness of face masks against influenza is ” crap” . Moreover, you have no evidence, proof to refute what The University of East Anglia plus all the other medical, doctors, virologists, professors institutions have stated about the ineffectiveness of face masks against Covid-19. Still no backbone to defend your citation about the establishment propagandist Aaronovitch cited in an integrity initiative document. Get a new occupation as a propagandist your are as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike😁😀🤣

    1. brianbotou – Are you really too stupid to appreciate that things have moved on in the last 2+ months.

      1. Unfortunately, once again you cannot answer the questions .

        Firstly, are you saying what the CDC stated about the ineffectiveness of facemasks against influenza is ” crap”.

        Secondly, you cannot offer any proof, evidence what the University of East Anglia, medical doctors, professors, virologists and institutions have stated that facemasks are not very effective against Covid-19.

        Thirdly, you can offer no defense to your citation of Aaronovitch who I stated was an establishment propagandist cited in an integrity initiative document.

        You can offer nothing but propaganda which is hardly surprising since you are a propagandist.

        However, you are not up to the job. Get a new occupation!

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