Yet more targeted attempts by Israel to murder journalists reporting on war crimes
Earlier today (15 May), a group of journalists in northern Gaza continued filming as they were targeted by an Israeli drone, with explosions audible in the background as they fled for cover. The footage, revealed by Middle East Eye, confirms again how deliberate is Israel’s targeting of journalists in its attempt to stop the world seeing its war crimes and abuse of human rights perpetrated on Palestinians:
Israel has so far killed well over a hundred journalists, often bombed along with their family – and has summarily imprisoned dozens more, a level of targeting of journalists unprecedented even in the Second World War.
The murderousness of the occupying apartheid state and its desperation to avoid recognition of its genocide in Gaza and the issuance of warrants by the International Criminal Court make it all the more vital that these courageous journalists are protected and that western governments insist that international media are allowed free access to Gaza.
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IBF response:
“Errrr….ummm…Ah yeah, that’s it! We thought they had suicide vests on and the handheld (phone) cameras they were holding looked suspiciously like grenades; while the larger (tv style) cameras definitely looked like RPG/missile launchers – an easy mistake to make
when our bloodlust is running riotduring wartime.”(If that isn’t an excuse they’ve used, it most likely soon will be)
Toffee – Did you mean IDF ?
When asked about this incident. Cue Blinken and other supporters of war criminals looking confused and coming out with some excuse.
Israel continues to dig itself deeper into the hole of the pariah state.
Israel continues to assert its “right to exist”.
It continues to undermine that right in the eyes of the MANY.
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“if you are going to impose a lie, then you have to resort to brute force and terror to make it stick because you have to ensure that anybody who would think otherwise is silenced.”
– Diane Sare, New York candidate for the US Senate in 2022
The Zionist run State provides but one example of the practice of targeting anyone who speaks or is likely to speak against The Official Narrative:
https://medium.com/@deborahlarmstrong/mirotvorets-removes-american-names-96de6a7a2a12
Since 2014 the Ukraine Regime – installed via an illegal coup financed by the USA – has operated a web site listing some 200,000 names of people across the world as who are classified as”info-terrorists.”
Some of whom are no longer alive, having been violently removed from existence for the crime of speaking out against The Official Narrative.
Not all of those on this kill list are adults. Many children are on the Myrotvorets list with a data survey two years or so ago by journalist Mira Terada finding at least 327 children have had their personal data exposed by Myrotvorets.
Considering that Ukrainian forces really try to kill those on this list, the lives of these children are in danger.
For example, Faina Savekova, a 12-year-old girl from Lugansk, was added to the list for posting letters on the internet expressing pride for the Russian identity of her people and criticism against the current Ukrainian policies in her region. After her data was exposed, Faina asked the UN for help, even writing letters to the Secretary General, which were never answered.
Here, from the 2022 article in the above link, is US Col. Richard Black (who is listed on the Myrotvorets kill list) , who was wounded in Vietnam, served a total of 32 years in uniform first as a pilot for the US Marine Corps and later as an attorney for the US Army. He believes that he was added to the list because he publicly stated that he was against the wars the US is involved in abroad, including the war in Ukraine where the US is funding and supporting neo-Nazi groups such as Azov Battalion, Right Sector and Svoboda “(Freedom”).
“It’s the intention of the Department of Homeland Security and the Ukrainian Center for Disinformation to silence us,”
As the above article observes:
“There is a movement within some American and Ukrainian agencies, such as DHS (Department of Homeland Security), to list what they call “info terrorism” as a crime. In other words, if you have any opinions which are contrary to official narratives, you would be considered a “terrorist” and therefore subject to the same laws as actual terrorists who hijack airplanes, plant bombs at marathons or blow up buildings. Your words and thoughts could get you tortured or even executed if this Orwellian plan is put into action, because you would literally be considered a “terrorist” just for not subscribing to the approved and sanctioned groupthink.” –
ie. The Official Narrative.
An example of just some of the people on this list – archived from the official Myrotvorets is provided in the post below……..
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https://archive.ph/50otS
This small sample of the much larger Ukraine kill list – backed by the US and CIA [see next post] – includes many well known and/or prominent people from across the Collective West who have criticised The Official Western Narrative on the Western run Project Ukraine proxy war. Including Politicians (Lula da Silva, current President of Brazil, US Senator Rand Paul, Tulsi Gabbard, Ireland’s Clare Daly); current and former Military veterans (US Col’s. Douglas Macgregor and Richard Black, Former US Marine and UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter, Swiss Military Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud. Former Italian Air Force General Leonardo Tricarico, Retired French Army Colonel Alain Corvez ); Journalists (Glen Greenwald, Bradly Blankenship); Academics (Jan Oberg, Prof. Li Xing, Dr George Koo, Dr Wang Wen, ) even former CIA analysts like Ray McGovern.
Others on the wider list include musician Roger Walters and journalist Darya Dugina – assassinated in August 2022.
There are even reports that, as a result of recent statements, the Pope has been placed on this list.
The Home page on the official Myrotvorets site – in Ukrainian – which is provided in the next post has two interesting features……
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……..continued…..
https://myrotvorets.center/
The first interesting feature, just below the blue banner across the top of the page is to the left of the screen is a red square with a number on it. Today’s number is 3,740. If you run the text of that box through a translator it tells you that those running this Official Ukrainian Regime site consider that the War with and against Russia – and anyone who speaks and is culturally Russian – commenced 3,740 days ago – ie on or around the 14th February 2014, some four days before the Maidan Coup.
Which contradicts The Official Narrative which has it that the War started in February 2022, when after three attempts, the Russian speaking people on the now former Ukrainian Oblast’s of the Donbass – who the Western controlled OSCE had recorded were being systematically attacked with missiles and snipers over a ten year period in breach of the Minsk Agreement’s (by the neo nazi run and controlled Regime in Kiev at the behest of the elites in the USA) – finally persuaded the Russian Federation to come to their aid under the UN right to Protect (R2P).
The previous two requests for aid having been rejected (so much for Russian Imperialism supposedly chomping at the bit so to speak). And even then they went in with only a third of the forces of the Ukraine in a reversal of military doctrine in which an, in this case so called, attacking force requires a three to one advantage over a defending force.
The second interesting feature of the site can be found in the top right hand corner of the screen. Which gives two locations for the origin of this site and its Kill list.
The top one of the two, in English, being (Quote) “Langley, VA, USA” (Unquote). The location underneath being Warsawa, Polska (Warsaw, Poland).
Langley, VA, USA is the address of the CIA.
It is inconceivable that the USA would allow any foreign Government, however ‘friendly’, to run any kind of web site for a decade of more which featured the origin address of the site as being the major intelligence agency of the USA if that intelligence agency were not the origin of that site, its content and its kill list.
Ergo, the US elite, using its own self-styled premier intelligence agency, has a public web site running a kill list of anyone across the globe who speaks out against The Official Narrative. Politicians, academics, journalists, researchers, even children are considered fair game in this concept of “info-terrorism” regardless of nominal nationality or previous service to the USA of its own citizens.
The Zionist based Israeli State attacks on journalists, featured in this Skwawkbox article, is simply an extension of the existing Official policy of its sponsors – the psychopathic Oligarch minority across the Collective West .
Healey and Lammy have both just been to Ukraine to pledge Labour’s support for the government in Ukraine. £3 billion a year that costs us.
Its worse than that Tony:
https://www.eppgroup.eu/newsroom/give-0-25-of-gdp-for-ukraine-s-victory
The European Peoples Party want every Western country to give 0.25% of our GDP to the neo-nazi criminals in Ukraine.
Not content with handing over $billions to fake front companies to build defences which Ukrainian sources are complaining never got built; along with similar amounts in the form of arms which never reached the front lines these numpties want to rob us blind to regularly hand over OUR money to these corrupt criminal psychopaths who are fleecing us dry.
This is a bottomless pit that is going to bankrupt and collapse the West and reduce whole populations to penury if this scam is allowed to continue.
Is this the Mira Terada that you have referred to above?
And?
You are seriously hanging your hat, Billy, on a plea bargain with no trial from the US?
The plea bargain being a well known dubious practice in the USA.
Here’s what Fair Trials tells us about plea bargains Billy
“Plea bargaining is a symptom of broken criminal justice systems. When States have too many criminal cases to deal with, they resort to plea bargaining or trial waivers so they can process large numbers of cases quickly, regardless of what actually happened or whether someone is innocent or guilty.
People can be coerced into thinking that waiving their right to a trial is their only option. Sometimes this is because of pressure from police and prosecutors, who want to process cases as quickly as possible, or cover up unlawful and abusive arrests. Sometimes people are persuaded because of other problems within the system, such as a lack of access to a lawyer, excessive prison sentences, long pre-trial detention periods due to the excessive length of criminal proceedings, high court costs and lawyers’ fees, and overcriminalisation.”
This in a context in which the same State entity openly threatens and sanctions Officials of international organisations such as the ICC.
In other words the context here is that of a corrupt and broken system and therefore your piss poor attempt at trying to negate the facts by reference to an obvious propaganda hit piece with all the dog whistle words and phrases about someone who has not had a trial should be seen for what it is.
i.e The same kind of Corporate media hit piece which is part and parcel of the same approach as that of the Myrotvorets site in which anyone who goes up against The Official Narrative is smeared or worse.
Does any of this negate any of the data and information provided? And if so how and on what grounds Billy?
You’ll be telling us next that Fair Trials is a Chinese front organisation or Cols. Richard Black, Douglas McGregor et al – along with everyone else are all ‘Putin’ – who you are clearly obsessed about as though he is the only inhabitant of the Russian Federation – sleeper agents.
Surely you can do better than this. This is just too easy kid.
Dave – I’ll take that as a yes then.
A succinct ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ would have sufficed
And I’ll take it that you agree this was a smear piece from the Daily Heil Billy.
Dave – Is it inaccurate?
Yes. For the reasons described.
Dave – So all you have is a load of woolly and vague denials.
Where’s the specifics like
Is it untrue that she was discovered in a car along with two co-conspirators and a kilogram of cocaine concealed in the engine compartment on a road trip from Texas to Virginia?
Is it untrue that she fled the USA to avoid the law?
Is it untrue that she is a convicted felon?
Is it untrue that she is a mouthpiece for Putin’s propaganda and conspiracy theories?
…..much like the reaction to this event:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/slovakia-fico-serious-stable-condition-shooting-fears-europe-violence-rcna152531
With the Western corporate media going into overdrive to portray a very specific empire orientated narrative on a recently elected European leader subject to an assassination attempt.
And that is because Fico, like Mira Tereda, Darya Dugina, Palestinian women and children, anyone supporting Palestinians (including Corbyn, students, LP members), even 12 year old Faina Savekova, have to be silenced by any means available – from character assassination to murder to deliberate misrepresentation.
Dave – I’m struggling to understand what this has to do with a woman who is a convicted US felon and has now become Putin’s new mouthpiece six years after being caught smuggling cocaine in Virginia
🥱
All circumstantial and therefore irrelevant, Billy, without the test of a proper trial.
And either way, does any of this negate the data compiled direct from the Ukrainian Kill list site run by the CIA in regard to the number of children on that list?
Does the existence of that data, those facts, and that evidence magically disappear simply because someone designated as an official enemy highlighted its existence?
Here’s some more questions you forgot Billy:
– Were the drugs planted?
– Was it a sting operation targeting a foreign national of an Official “Enemy” State – as designated by the entity first publicly identified by former President Eisenhower?
– Were there threats made against this individual to get them to accept guilt via a plea bargain?
– Was this individual concerned for their safety and did that concern have any bearing on their leaving the US? (Because the term ‘leaving’ is a lot more objective than the subjective dog whistle term “fleeing”.)
We don’t know the answer to any of these questions or others which could be legitimately posed either way because there was no trial. There was no testing of evidence. There was no scrutiny of the process whatsoever.
As Fair Trials details, what passes for the US legal system, like so much else identified by US citizens in its chaotic and systematically failed and failing paradigm, is fundamentally broken and gamed by everyone on all sides.
Its called context Billy. Its the way the real world operates as any scientist or engineer will tell you. And like, to take one example – industrial relations – outcomes are often determined not by objective and science based inquiry and testing but by unequal power relations.
Like the woke what you are doing is treating an untested allegation as equating to automatic guilt. Pre-assuming what you aim to deduce. Putting your predetermined conclusion at the front and ignoring any evidence which does not suit you because that is what you want the situation to be.
Without the testing of ALL the evidence the fact that a guilty plea was made in a plea bargain means diddly squat in such a systemically corrupted context as identified by, among others, Fair Trials.
And what’s coming across loud and clear to any reader from you in this conversation Billy, in your over eagerness to muddy the waters and deflect the conversation away from the facts, is that even if this data was presented by the Pope you would be attempting to smear the Pope as a “Putin apologist” or something equally childish and simplistic.
As though Russians, like Palestinians, or anyone else designated an Official Enemy in order to steal their resources now and in the past – from Nicaragua to Libya; El Salvador to Iraq; and a myriad of other publicly available examples – have no right to an opinion, or security, their own resources or their own development path and must be smeared.
Including children.
The question you need to ask yourself Billy is do you believe in the values which many Western politicians and media hacks proclaim as exclusively Western or don’t you?
Like innocent until proven guilty? The right to a fair trial? The testing of evidence?
Or are you so wrapped up in a zero sum mindset which attempts to simplistically portray any narrative which does not fit The Official Narrative as “enemy propaganda?”
A normal person should be able to do a lot better than the simplistic and subjective line you are desperately pushing, However, as you have demonstrated on numerous occasions , you don’t do evidence which does not suit your own narrow propaganda based narratives. Preferring instead, like a child, to ignore it, pretend it does not exist, or attempt to discredit it in any way you can in order to avoid facing the difficult questions.
“Dave – I’m struggling to understand”
That’s because you don’t want to listen to anything outside your head Billy.
The Western corporate media reaction to the shooting of Fico mirrored the Daily Heil report you provided a link to. Because Fico has consistently gone off piste from the Official Narrative – attempting to apply the so called values spouted by bought and paid for Western politicians and media hacks in an even handed and universal way (Borrell’ ‘Jungle’) rather than exclusively to one group of people (Borrell’s ‘Garden’) – much of the reporting paints a slanted and propaganda negative picture of the country he is leader of.
Just as the Daily Heil – and yourself – use dog whistle terms like “flee” and “Putin Propaganda” much of the Western corporate Media reporting put a propaganda slant on the reporting of the incident. Painting a biased picture of the country under Fico using similar dog whistle words and phrases to convey a negative image.
Because that’s what I have been arguing. Anyone who goes off piste from The Official Narrative is targeted for character assassination and worse.
You do it all the time Billy. Misrepresenting others. Twisting what is said. Putting words in other peoples mouths that they did not say. Smearing. Selective use of data and information. Ignoring evidence which does not suit your narrative. Refusing to present substantiating evidence for your misrepresentations and dubious claims. Pre-assuming what you aim to deduce. And so on.
I reckon I’m not the only one on this site having difficulty with the notion that you are “struggling to understand” something that you yourself put into practice all the time.
When are you going to liberate yourself from this simplistic reductionist mind set and join the grown up world Billy?
The issue in play here is neatly characterised in today’s Chris Cairns cartoon on the Wings Over Scotland site:
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-innocent/
The term “Dangerous Extremist”, used in this cartoon, has plenty of bastard siblings. From “Anti-Semite” to “Saddam”/”Putin”/”Xi”/”Iran”/”China”/”Whoever is the minority of the planet Collective West’s ‘Official Enemy ‘ ‘stooge’/’propagandist’/ ‘apologist’/’supporter'” for the purposes of any particular Official Narrative.
All of which are designed to totally foreclose and remove any debate by smearing, caricaturing, and misrepresenting anyone and everyone who strays a single iota from The Sacred Official Narrative on any matter – never mind criticise or disagree with that narrative.
Targets of whom are subject to a barrage of vitriol and purity spiral vilification, character assassination and worse in a 24/7/365 hate fest which permeates from the entire Collective West political and media class and its self-appointed keyboard warrior cheerleaders..
A practice and process which has consequences. Because when individuals, groups, and even whole populations are officially vilified and smeared in a hate fest – whether its Palestinians, anyone who has the “wrong” colour of skin, speaks the “wrong” language, has the “wrong” culture or belongs to the “wrong” group, has the “wrong” opinion, or strays from The Sacred Official Narrative – becomes a target for violence.
Whether its the targeting of Asians for a beating by skinheads, of socialists for murdering by individuals like Anders Behring Breivik, or assassination attempts by so called ‘lone wolf’ individuals against politicians whom the Corporate media, on behalf of the Western Security Deep State/MIC, have targeted with vilification for straying of piste from the approved Narrative.
The late Upton Sinclair’s well known observation: “That it is difficult to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it” would, if Sinclair were still around today, be updated to replace the word “salary” with “life”*
*As discussed in the link in the next post, below……..
…..which puts the recent assassination attempt against Rober Fico in this wider context….
https://www.rokfin.com/post/178146/Robert-Fico-Slovak-patriot
….of the level of vitriol used against him over months by the outside controlled neo-liberal media in his Country.
As the ‘Duran Twins’ observe in this analysis, the chilling effect this has is deliberate. The violence used against journalists by Israel and its US sponsor; against Palestinians by Israel and their supporters by bought and paid for politicians and corporate media hacks across the Collective West; and the instigation of violence against anyone who speaks out as represented by the kill list of CIA controlled web sites run by proxy nazis in Ukraine such as Myrotvorets is designed to silence anyone who goes off piste.
And the point is that this deliberately engineered process of vilification, smearing, misrepresentation and outright lies against anyone and everyone who publicly puts their head above the parapet operates on multiple levels in its attempt to shut off and close debate.
You can see it operating Below The Line across much of Social Media on a regular basis. Sad little cowards who cannot substantiate his lies, misrepresentations and smears. Hiding in anonymity behind a computer spewing bile against anyone who expresses a different Narrative. Deliberately and dishonestly attempting to close down debate in exactly the same way as analysed in the above link.
Normal people see them for what they are.
Dave – Wow, you’ve been busy over the weekend. This is fun and games. 😉
It’s amazing how much me pointing out that your trusted source is a mouthpiece for Putin’s propaganda and is an ex-convict 😲has really rattled you cage.
You’re the one who is proselytising Putin’s propaganda. 🤔
The trusted source Billy is the Myrotvorets site itself:
https://myrotvorets.center/
Your claim that a CIA controlled web site with a kill list running into hundreds of thousands run by proxy Ukrainian neo-nazis is a “Putin Propaganda” outlet is bizarre even by your standards.
Have you been of the iffy ganja again?
We take it that you are unable to respond to the substantive issues raised in the arguments and evidence based analysis presented and are once again reduced to your usual incoherent puerile distractions.
Best you stick to counting the railings. rather than trying desperately to impress the grown ups.
Dave – “Your claim that a CIA controlled web site with a kill list running into hundreds of thousands run by proxy Ukrainian neo-nazis is a “Putin Propaganda” outlet is bizarre even by your standards.”
REALLY⁉️
WHERE DID I SAY THAT⁉️
All I’ve done is point out that your source Mira Terada, is a mouthpiece for Putin’s propaganda and an ex-con
What was it that you were saying about “misrepresentations”?
“They don’t like it up ’em Mr Mainwaring!”
“WHERE DID I SAY THAT”
Exactly Billy.
You really don’t like it when someone puts words in your mouth that you never said.
Yet you have no problem with doing the same to others and refusing point blank reasonable requests to substantiate your repeated misrepresentations.
And then you have the chutzpah to whinge like a mardy five year old in block capitals.
Suck up to your own medicine.
And by the way, hanging your hat on an unsubstantiated claim by the Daily Heil is not simply lacking any credibility but also demonstrates a complete lack of gorm.
Even writers for the rag – that supported Moseley’s black shirts and continues to this day to push fascist and racist narratives – like Peter Hitchins have criticised the misleading codswallop that is the bulk of this sorry excuse for a newspaper’s output.
That you rely on the unevidenced rantings of a well known fascist supporting and leaning organ speaks volumes about you.
Oh, and Billy, see below:
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/05/15/video-journalists-flee-as-israeli-drone-bombs-them/#comment-255107
I see that Labour are looking for a PPC for Islington North
Islington North selection in Jeremy Corbyn’s seat: Who will stand, and will Corbyn run as an independent? – LabourList
“Two candidates have already announced their intention to stand; writer and transport campaigner Christian Wolmar and journalist Paul Mason. There’s been speculation about whether councillor Praful Nargund will run too; he wasn’t immediately available for comment……………..”
“The selection process has already sparked controversy in some corners of the party, amid reports that the shortlisting of candidates will be carried out by the national executive committee, rather than by the local party, and that the hustings will take place online only………………”
“Will Jeremy Corbyn run as an independent candidate?
Corbyn has still not made his intentions explicitly clear…………….”
https://labourlist.org/2024/05/jeremy-corbyn-islington-north-labour-selection-process-general-election/
This Paul Mason:
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/how-disinformation-works:western-intelligence-agencies-global-war-on-the-left
You can tell the character of someone by the company they keep.
Have you shot your wad, yet, wee gobshite? Wash your hands before you reply, you filthy animal.
But let’s take two of the touted…wolmar & mason.
I’m sure Corbyn supporters nationwide are cackin theirselves – especially at the prospect of going up against the total gimbal tag that is paul mason 😏
As for wolmar – nowt but a bloody trainspotter. And isn’t he OLDER than Corbyn? Wolmar must be getting on for eighty, easily.
Would you approve of a geriatric smarmerite candidate, wee gobshite? You seem to make great waves about Corbyn’s ‘dotage’.
Its really is just getting to easy now isn’t it Toffee.
There can be very little, if anything left in this decrepit barrel that the Billy goat is desperately scraping around at the bottom of.
I don’t know about you Toffee but frankly I’m starting to feel embarrassed for him. The script he’s very obviously working from is, like The Official Narrative he’s pushing, falling apart at the seams.
I don’t know about you Toffee but frankly I’m starting to feel embarrassed for him.
I really shouldn’t mock the afflicted, Dave.
But by Christ, he makes it a necessity.
Toffee & Dave – I’m struggling to see what you are getting your collective knickers in a twist over.
All I’ve done is draw attention to a news item that I thought may be of interest to others who use this site (nothing more, nothing less).
I’m just surprised that nobody else had highlighted this before me.
I’ve been a bit unfair to Wolmar. He ain’t a bad sort. There’s far worse than him about, including mason, obviously.
But he’s no Corbyn. If it was any other seat I’d most likely wish him the best of luck, but to inherit the candidacy because of the circumstances, then AFAIC he’s pissed on his chips.
Toffee – I’ll be voting Labour, who will you be voting for in the next general election?
Oh aye? And where will you be voting labour from?
And it’s none of your bleedin’ business who ill be voting for…but if I DO decide to vote – MOST DEFINITELY it won’t be for the liar (ill)eagle.
Toffee – My daughter will cast my proxy vote on my behalf.
All I’ve done is…
Again, with the cop-out. An insult to the intelligence of an amoeba.
And not a peep about Wolmar at least being as old – if not OLDER – than Corbyn; who (as you keep implying) really ought to be retiring.
Will you be voting for paul (paucity) mason if he gets the candidacy (stop laughing you lot, its a possibility)
Toffee – If you want to offer us your appraisal of the candidates then that is your choice, it wasn’t mine. My intention was to draw attention to the fact that the selection process had started.
My intention was to draw attention to the fact that the selection process had started
Wasn’t your sole or main intention, though.
Toffee – If you want to offer us your appraisal of the candidates then that is your choice, it wasn’t mine
You’re the one merely bringing it to our attention.
You’re the one who’s gonna be voting labour, plums. From abroad, too.
That’s despite your wailing about electoral reform, although you seem rather eager to use a vote which should be forfeit; seeing as you’re non-residential. A foreign interloper.
But seeing as you are keen to exercise that ‘right’ , it’s only right that you tell us which candidate you prefer, and why.
You pontificate to us about how us UK residents should vote, put up a case for your preferred candidate or shut your cave.
Toffee – see below
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/05/15/video-journalists-flee-as-israeli-drone-bombs-them/#comment-255094
SteveH16/05/2024 AT 4:55 PM
Toffee – My daughter will cast my proxy vote on my behalf.
There’s no ‘r’ in ‘poxy’.
Toffee – I’m sure we are all suitably impressed by your maturity.
Tell you what, why don’t you ask everyone?
Toffee – Effectively you’ve already done that, and……..?
Toffee – “But seeing as you are keen to exercise that ‘right’ , it’s only right that you tell us which candidate you prefer, and why.
Why, I don’t have a vote in Islington North?
You pontificate to us about how us UK residents should vote,
Unlike you, I do think that it is important for people to vote. We all know that you can’t be bothered to vote but I would support both compulsory voting and PR.
put up a case for your preferred candidate or shut your cave.”
I don’t have one. Who knows maybe I’ll be able to answer your question if I get to see the online hustings from the short-listed candidates. In the meantime I’ll leave you to obsess about something that you can’t influence.
Billy, you are the last person to be lecturing anyone on the subject of maturity:
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/05/03/labours-vote-share-projection-falls-on-todays-local-results-and-is-lower-than-corbyns-milibands/#comment-254660
Dave – What would you call someone who believes Putin’s propaganda.
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/05/15/video-journalists-flee-as-israeli-drone-bombs-them/#comment-255096
This referring to me?
If so, you know what’s coming next, don’t you?
So, go on then. Let’s see it.
You keep saying this Billy but what evidence do you have that any facts and evidence I have presented – much of it sourced from within the West and by Western politicians – is “propaganda”?
Where’s the beef? Present your case. Give us your evidence.
– The OSCE (Organisation for Security Cooperation in Europe) data on the shelling of the Russian speaking civilian population of the Donbass and subsequent numbers of civilian deaths is “Putin Propaganda”? And by definition the OSCE are “Putin Propagandists”?
Really?
– That Merkal and Hollande are “Putin Propagandist’s for publicly stating that they and the Collective West entered the Minsk Agreements in bad faith; had no intention of implementing those agreements; and the agreements were only entered into to prepare the Ukrainian military to enter into conflict with the Russian Federation by proxy on behalf of the US. And by definition their pubic statements to that effect are “Putin Propaganda”?
Seriously?
– The Myrotvorets site with the list of individuals it contains is a “Putin Propaganda” site. And the Ukrainian’s who administer it and the CIA who control it are “Putin Propagandists”?
Come again?
– That the public statement by the head of NATO Jan Stoltenburg that the conflict in Ukraine began in 2014 not 2024 is “Putin Propaganda”. And therefore the head of NATO is a “Putin Propagandist”?
Yeah! Right! Okay!
– That arguing for the consistent application of universal principles to apply evenly to everyone – including Russian speakers, Palestinians, and other Countries outside the Collective West – such as the right to security, the right to self defence and the right to ask for assistance under the UN R2P (Right to Protect) provisions is “Putin Propaganda.”
On what planet Billy?
If you had any evidence to support these unsubstantiated and childish smears and slanders you would have presented it by now.
Repeating complete unsubstantiated and un-evidenced bollocks over and over again is simply the meaningless drivel of the school playground or the football terraces.
What it is not is grown up adult discourse.
What is really, and tragically, funny, is you seriously expect any normal person reading your rantings is going to be convinced of anything you say when this is the level of argument you come up with.
What a sad, pathetic, caricature of a human being you are presenting to the world.
We’re waiting Billy. Get on with it.
Toffee – “But seeing as you are keen to exercise that ‘right’ , it’s only right that you tell us which candidate you prefer, and why.
Why, I don’t have a vote in Islington North?
There’s no smarmerist labour candidate on your Caribbean idyll (And going on what you said about the time difference the other day it’s either Jamaica OR the Cayman islands as they don’t change their clocks…And most just stash their ill-gotten riches im the Caymans)
You pontificate to us about how us UK residents should vote,
Unlike you, I do think that it is important for people to vote. We all know that you can’t be bothered to vote but I would support both compulsory voting and PR.
You know damned well I wasn’t talking about whether to vote or not, but who we should vote for.
And nobody mentioned PR. Which you’re also wrong about.
Why you persist with trying your usual trick, the same one that always fails, is beyond stupidity. You ought to be repeatedly punched on the snout for it.
put up a case for your preferred candidate or shut your cave.”
I don’t have one. Who knows maybe I’ll be able to answer your question if I get to see the online hustings from the short-listed candidates. In the meantime I’ll leave you to obsess about something that you can’t influence.
And trying it again, ffs. An example. You weren’t at any of leadbetter’s ‘hustings’ , yet you endorsed her.
You were given a choice of the two I mentioned. Choose one or shut up.
Off topic:
Going through some old bookmarks looking for something else entirely, I came across this comment from the resident fool SteveH.
One would hope that the Corbyn and his administration (the ones who dreamt up and introduced this ‘trigger ballot’ process)…
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/06/16/labour-waging-vicious-and-misogynistic-campaign-to-remove-apsana-begum/#comment-225215
They did not. Even arch anti-Corbyn hypocrite Luke Akehurst acknowledges in Labour List that:
This is not a new process. There wasn’t any time to run trigger ballots in the 2015 parliament due to the snap 2017 general election, but all Labour MPs faced a trigger ballot before every general election between 1992 and 2015. The idea of a trigger ballot was actually a moderate Labour initiative brought in after two general elections ahead of which all Labour MPs faced “mandatory reselection” – a full reselection process with challengers for every MP. This followed the selection processes of 1983, in which 17 MPs were deselected, and 1987, in which seven MPs were deselected.
They neither dreamt it up nor introduced it. So mr know-it-all, get your facts right before spouting your rubbish and trying to mislead everyone.
I even corrected the fool here but got no acknowledgement of his error despite posting more replies below it. Just goes to show his arrogance.
https://skwawkbox.org/2022/06/30/breaking-apsana-begum-triggered-after-labour-campaign-of-misogyny-and-racism/#comment-226543
You do know what’s coming next, don’t you, PW?
That’s right – it’s that f***ing infantile wingding he posts on just about each & every thread.
You know the one…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
…And he has the temerity to question others’ maturity. 😒
PW – I was referring to the new version of ‘trigger ballot’ that Jeremy Corbyn forced on the party at the 2018 Conference. This was against the wishes of the membership who wanted ‘mandatory reselection’. JC sneaked behind the members backs at conference and did an underhand secret deal with the Unions. What happened to all those oft repeated promises to democratise the party and all the guff about creating a members led party?
https://labourlist.org/2018/09/len-mccluskey-accusing-unite-of-machine-politics-undermines-jeremy-corbyn/
Dave and his little acolyte Toffee – It’s amazing that my posting a news item about Corbyn’s current constituency has generated all this. https://skwawkbox.org/2024/05/15/video-journalists-flee-as-israeli-drone-bombs-them/#comment-255060
Perhaps you pair of numpties should both consider reviewing how many words and how much time you have both wasted desperately trying to do what……………………..?
To correct a habitual liar with the facts about their consistent misrepresentations.
An endeavour which has kept that liar busy digging further in undermining his already low credibility.
Evident in the fact that the habitual liar does not even comprehend what is actually going on here. Blissfully unaware that he his hanging himself by his own petard.
Numpty.
Dave – Oh dear, is that it?
FGS Is that really all that you have to offer, yet more unevidenced accusations.?
How sad is that?😏
Really Billy? Is projection all you have?
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/05/06/video-labour-doorknocker-appears-to-call-voters-fing-pkis-for-voting-independent/#comment-254732
Substantiate the following:
1. Your repeated claim that I have anywhere stated “support” for anyone. In the case of your repeated, un-evidenced and therefore unsubstantiated ravings: Putin, Russia, China, Iran.
You cannot because its all in your fevered fantasy riddled head. Constantly repeating a blatant lie does not make it so. No matter how much you shout the odds.
What I have done is come out in favour of a number of basic universally applicable principles based on what are claimed by the elite collective Western political and media classes (who you have demonstrably accepted lie and mislead the Western public) to be sacred and by definition superior ‘Western Values’.
Such as:
– The equal right to self defence
– The equal right to legitimate national security.
– Non-zero sum outcomes.
So please explain the logic of how YOU turn the issue of basic principles and oft trumpeted values to “support” for individuals?
You have been afforded ample opportunity to substantiate your repeated lie. But all you do is prevaricate, try to change the subject and continue to repeat the lie.
Again, it is more than reasonable to repeat the request to desist from this and to apologise for doing so.
Your present stance merely confirms to any reader your total lack of credibility. Which means no one is going to accept anything you say because you have proven yourself to be a bad faith liar who consistently projects their own actions and behaviour onto others as a coping mechanism for your playground level approach.
In that regard, you are wasting your time here as no one is going to be convinced of a single thing you say and will in fact take the opposite stance to yourself. Which means you are undermining your own case.
Another own goal of the week.
2. Substantiating evidence to support your claims in respect of the nature of the entities you are inaccurately claiming (as detailed above) other people are “supporting” as though real life can be reduced reduced to the level of football supporters.
I trust this fully answers your question and meets its requirements.
Would it be too much to ask for some reciprocation? Or are you going to double, triple and quadruple down to further demonstrate to readers how perfectly you fit the description detailed in my post of 08:44pm on 07/05/2024?
…..and…..
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/05/15/video-journalists-flee-as-israeli-drone-bombs-them/#comment-255107
“You keep saying this Billy but what evidence do you have that any facts and evidence I have presented – much of it sourced from within the West and by Western politicians – is “propaganda”?
Where’s the beef? Present your case. Give us your evidence.
– The OSCE (Organisation for Security Cooperation in Europe) data on the shelling of the Russian speaking civilian population of the Donbass and subsequent numbers of civilian deaths is “Putin Propaganda”? And by definition the OSCE are “Putin Propagandists”?
Really?
– That Merkal and Hollande are “Putin Propagandist’s for publicly stating that they and the Collective West entered the Minsk Agreements in bad faith; had no intention of implementing those agreements; and the agreements were only entered into to prepare the Ukrainian military to enter into conflict with the Russian Federation by proxy on behalf of the US. And by definition their pubic statements to that effect are “Putin Propaganda”?
Seriously?
– The Myrotvorets site with the list of individuals it contains is a “Putin Propaganda” site. And the Ukrainian’s who administer it and the CIA who control it are “Putin Propagandists”?”
Come again?
– That the public statement by the head of NATO Jan Stoltenburg that the conflict in Ukraine began in 2014 not 2024 is “Putin Propaganda”. And therefore the head of NATO is a “Putin Propagandist”?
Yeah! Right! Okay!
– That arguing for the consistent application of universal principles to apply evenly to everyone – including Russian speakers, Palestinians, and other Countries outside the Collective West – such as the right to security, the right to self defence and the right to ask for assistance under the UN R2P (Right to Protect) provisions is “Putin Propaganda.”
On what planet Billy?
If you had any evidence to support these unsubstantiated and childish smears and slanders you would have presented it by now.
Repeating complete unsubstantiated and un-evidenced bollocks over and over again is simply the meaningless drivel of the school playground or the football terraces.
What it is not is grown up adult discourse.
What is really, and tragically, funny, is you seriously expect any normal person reading your rantings is going to be convinced of anything you say when this is the level of argument you come up with.
The evidence of which can be attested by the fact that everyone on this site consistently fails to support a single faux argument you come up.
You remain blissfully unaware that everybody is giving you the rope and you are consistently hanging yourself with it.
What a sad, pathetic, caricature of a human being you are presenting to the world.
David, ask him to condemn dewey for it’s repulsive crimes, and watch the wee gobshite swerve it like like cherie blair does picking up the bill.
So, by his own cogito ergo sum (that you are a putin supporter), he openly supports AND endorses child sex offenders.
No mistake about it.