‘Quitter group’ MP’s motion to delay Brexit and conduct a new referendum defeated heavily in a parliamentary vote
Ex-Tory MP Sarah Wollaston’s amendment in Parliament to delay Brexit and hold a new referendum has been defeated – crushed – by 334 votes to 85. Even if every abstaining MP had voted in favour of the amendment, it would still have lost by thirty or so votes.
Earlier, her fellow ‘quitter group’ MPs had been tweeting excitedly about ‘finally’ getting the matter ‘on the agenda’ – even though some of them had helped defeat Jeremy Corbyn’s amendment to do exactly that at the end of January.
SKWAWKBOX comment:
Small wonder that the so-called “people’s vote” campaign had been trying to manage expectations earlier, with Blairite Alastair Campbell saying it was the ‘wrong time’ to ‘press’ the amendment.
There is almost as little appetite among MPs to drag the country through another referendum as there is for Theresa May’s dismal Brexit ‘deal’.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s position is exactly right: the country needs a general election, not a new referendum – followed quickly by Labour’s Brexit deal that has already been welcomed as ‘heavenly’ by EU officials.
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So that’s the Funny Tint Group off to a good start then! Let’s have a GE and get this country on the right track, losing the squatter chaff in the process.
Crushed! What a delight.
There’s scant hope for the second referendum with more than half the House of Commons voting against, but that won’t stop the TIGggers, Blairites and Fake Left plugging it for all its worth.
Why does Skwarkie think it a good thing that EU officials regard Labour’s proposals as a “delight”? These EU officials are ardent neoliberals of the first order, for goodness’ sake!
Oh for an ounce of socialist analysis.
Conveniently ignoring that the those that instigated Brexit and the most passionate supporters of Brexit are right wing neo-liberals.
No they aren’t, don’t lie. They’re a mix of Atlanticists, Libertarians and nationalists.
The neoliberals are the EU and remain voters.
Trump, Putin and the ERG combined with a smattering of naïve fantasists, what a wonderful combination.
Stop it! Fantasy is more comfortable than the messy business of actuality.. Wave the wand, and the ERG and sundry riends are transformed into Disney cartoon allies to the cause!
Their hedge and investment funds are charitable foundations for the workers, of course, whilst the Russian oligarchic mafia
is working for the continuance of the revolution, of course.
As opposed to the totally evil EU ……
(Don’t wake me up, please)
It’s you and SteveH who’re the fantasists RH. I admit what the right wingers are and don’t cover up for the EU with lies like you and your brother (?) do.
It isn’t disputable that the EU is neoliberal to the core, the Maastricht treaty confirms it, George Soros’ support confirms it, the Virgin Group’s support confirms it. Just because assorted right wing nationalists, libertarians and neocon but jobs support leaving doesn’t make staying right (or left by your twisted logic haha) or mean that I’m allying myself with them. Your desperation to propagandise remain has made you prepared to lie about the nature of the EU. Therefore, nothing you say can be trusted.
lundiel 14/03/2019 at 10:29 pm · ·
Do you have any credibility left?
On the one hand we have the vast majority of business leaders, Labour Party members and voters wanting to stay in the EU who you rather bizarrely dismiss as some sort of neo-con conspiracy but on the other hand “the support of the of the assorted right wing nationalists, libertarians and neocon but [nut] jobs [who] support leaving” the very people who campaigned and prothletise for this mess as somehow irrelevant. These are the very people who have increased their personal wealth on the back of Brexit, who because they are insulated by their wealth can glibly ignore the impact that their actions will have on the economy and jobs.
“Your desperation to propagandise remain has made you prepared to lie about the nature of the EU”
…….and your evidence for this assertion is???
“Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s position is exactly right: the country needs a general election, not a new referendum – followed quickly by Labour’s Brexit deal that has already been welcomed as ‘heavenly’ by EU officials.”
If we secure a GE, and if we win that GE and successfully negotiate a withdrawal deal with the EU then will Jeremy Corbyn put this new deal to the electorate for ratification. Bearing in mind the composite motion unanimously agreed at conference it is difficult to see how he could avoid doing so.
Extracts from the Labour composite motion agreed at conference.
“Conference notes that when trade unions have a mandate to negotiate a deal for their members, the final deal is accepted or rejected by the membership. ”
“If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.”
Good! And good that the other vote to allow Parliament to take control failed also.
I just want them to get on with it and despise the foreign/corporate funded PV campaign, they’ve had all the publicity and blatant propaganda for nearly 3 years and now we are going to have it kicked into the long grass. F*** the middle class saboteurs.
” F*** the middle class saboteurs.”
C’mon, lundiel. You don’t believe this dilettante Marxism-for-Dummies stuff, with it’s simplistic misunderstanding of class as a concept, surely?
must say, even though the mess is a mess, Parliament taking the lead lately has been very instructive and helpful, in particular, this vote now showing what a sham the quitters and their “cause” has been.
The PV and S-quitters were only ever trying to achieve one thing , the removal of Corbyn’s Socialist Labour .
Que in next day or two that bat shit crazy Hodge starting up some false AS ,,, again .
Nonsense!
The vast majority of Labour Party Members support Corbyn, a 2nd referendum and staying in the EU.
Love Corbyn, Hate Brexit.
Good news! Parliament has just finished voting to extend Article 50!
Parliament voted to extend article 50.
Jeremy Corbyn also reiterated Labour’s policy. Labour will support a public vote on Brexit to break the deadlock in Parliament.
Sarah Wollaston is on video during hustings for the 2017 general election saying that the EU referendum result must be respected and here she is now tabling an amendment which would have started the process of reversing Brexit.
And the Tinge Group have the brass neck to try and claim the moral high ground?
You have a rather perverse view of what democracy means. You acknowledge that their is no longer a majority for Brexit but you castigate Wollaston for campaigning for a democratic vote that will express that view.
What do you think gives you the right to deny the electorate the right to express the democratic will of the people?
You have a rather perverse view of what respecting the referendum result means.
Dave G 14/03/2019 at 10:27 pm
On the contrary, most of us reluctantly accepted the result and this was confirmed by most of our MPs voting, on our behalf, to implement Article 50. This gave Theresa May the authority to negotiate a Brexit deal on our behalf. It is universally accepted that the Brexiteers have been unable to reach a deal that is acceptable to the majority of the electorate. Is this what you voted for?
The Brexit proponents have made a complete bollocks of the opportunity that their narrow victory gave them (an average of <1,000 votes per constituency). FFS your leaders didn't have a plan or a clue about what they actually wanted from Brexit.
You bang on about respecting the 2016 result but what's left to respect. You've had over 2½ years to negotiate a deal and your lot have self evidently failed miserably to get a deal that the majority would find anything like acceptable. Nobody (not even you) voted to be where we are now.
You've had your chance and even you admit that you've blown it.
I repeat – What do you think gives you the right to deny the electorate the right to express the democratic will of the people?
“You have a rather perverse view of what respecting the referendum result means.”
What is there to ‘respect’ about a sectional definition of what the result *wasn’t*?
It *wasn’t* a decisive result. It wasn’t – in fact – binding,- anyway. It *wasn’t* founded on widespread understanding of the issues (unless the Murdoch press has suddenly become the arbiter of truth).
It *was* a split vote. It *was* based on a shrunken electorate. It *was* founded in misinformation. It resulted in a minority vote for Brexit.
On the rationale of the ‘respect the referendum’ lobby, the last GE would condemn us to continual Tory government.
Both SteveH and RH appear to have (deliberately?) misinterpreted my comment. I am criticising Wollaston’s obvious hypocrisy for saying that the EU referendum result should be respected and then doing the exact opposite.
I have made no comment at all about whether I think a second referendum is a good idea or not.
Dave G 15/03/2019 at 8:03 pm
I could easily accuse you of doing the same thing. I simply took your comment at face value and I stand by every word I’ve written above.
Yes not enough support from MPs for a second PV when we have had it.
Perhaps the original Referendum for the Tories was not about what is best for UK society but how best to appease the Tory rank and file in the Battle of the Cameron Succession.
It could be argued the potential candidates Johnson and Gove calculated it was best to go for Brexit (see the look of gloom on their faces the morning after, perhaps they hoped to just lose but WIN the rank and file) whilst May played a blinder; though in theory for Remain she was invisible in the campaign and kept stum but post result became a champion of Brexit (following the corresponding wind).
And now the target is the Tory Right Brexiters with Project Fear aimed at them; accept my crap deal (half out, half in) or its a short term or longer delay and both may put Brexit under threat!
May is perhaps saying “Semi-Brexit (to please capital and the City of London), when do you want it, when do you want it, now?
In 3 months? Or In 12 months (with the irrelevant bloody potential participation by the UK in May’s bloody EC elections) and time for a bloody 2nd PV?
Think we need a General Election and when do we want it, when do we want it, now!
Then Labour gets a better Leave Deal.
A customs union.
Democratic control labour supply (and migrants needing job offers means we can take workers we need from any country in the World).
Democratic control capital supply.
Migration adjustment funds for councils.
Trade unionise migrant workers.
Then much of Labour’s state-led public investment can be put into the left behind areas decimated by the Neo-Liberal Tories.
JC4PM!
Still not as good a deal as staying.
Obvious, isn’t it?
… and who will be picking up the tab for this weird flight of self-indulgent fantasy?
(Hint – it won’t be the percentage at the top who’ve been investing hedge-fund resources in betting ion the chaos).