The right-wing regime currently strangling the Labour party has evidently decided that lying about Corbyn’s record on Russia is a useful next step in its smear campaign against the former Labour leader, whom it hopes to remove from Parliament altogether at the next election – a few extra sticks to shore up the determination to get rid of him are always welcome in right-wing minds.
But the latest lies recklessly put Corbyn’s life in danger yet again. Right-wingers have assaulted Corbyn and one who murdered a Muslim man had hoped to include Corbyn in the death toll – but ‘Nu-Labour’ has recklessly been inciting the extremists again by claiming that Corbyn was soft on Russia and that purely by being against war, he is ‘Putin’s mouthpiece’.
Here’s Jeremy Corbyn’s real record on Russia and Vladimir Putin:
- 2001: condemns Putin’s actions in Chechnya
- 2010: accuses Putin of rigging elections and calls for asset freeze
- 2012: called for a UK version of the US Magnitsky Act imposing sanctions on Russia
- 2014: calls for Russian arms corporations to be barred from the UK
- 2016: accuses Putin of war crimes in Syria
- 2019: condemns Russian influence in UK politics and calls for release of Russia report on that influence, which the Tories withheld
- 2022: Corbyn condemns the Russian invasion of Ukraine
In the construction of a global alliance against terrorism, we should think a little more carefully about the human rights records and perceptions of some of the countries that are involved.
When the Prime Minister travels to Moscow – I imagine that he is already on his way there – and meets President Putin this evening, I hope that he will convey the condemnation of millions of people around the world of the activities of the Russian army in Chechnya and of what it is doing to ordinary people there.
When images of what is happening are translated into other parts of the world, many people are horrified, just as we are horrified by what happened to the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon on 11 September.
If we are serious about the rule of law and human rights, we must be very careful to condemn abuses of human rights, whoever commits them, whoever they are committed against and however uncomfortable or inconvenient it is for us to do so. If we are not consistent, we will, understandably, receive the charge of hypocrisy.
Jeremy Corbyn on Vladimir Putin, 2001
While Corbyn has consistently taken a stand against Russia and called for international law to be enforced, both the Tories and the Labour right have taken money from Russian donors or donors with business links to Russia. And of course, Peter Mandelson’s extensive links to Russia and Putin are a matter of record.
Yet with the collusion of the Establishment media, it is Corbyn who is being put at risk while his enemies smear with abandon and impunity.
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The UN is going to hold an Emergency General Assembly meeting to hold Russia accountable for its illegal invasion of Ukraine
What about the smears Steve H and the fact that once again Jeremy Corbyn has been endangered by the party? Nothing to say about that?
see my response below at 12:13am
“The UN is going to hold an Emergency General Assembly meeting to hold Russia accountable for its illegal invasion of Ukraine”
I think you’ll find that three days ago now (25 Feb), Russia vetoed a draft UN Security Council resolution that would have deplored Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine. Eleven of the council’s 15 members voted for the US worded resolution, which was seconded by Albania, a country which, at the US’ insruction, suddenly admits it has a coronavirus problem. China, India, and the United Arab Emirates abstained. The U.S. and the British ambassadors hailed the resolution despite its total and abject failure.
qwertboi – I’m surprised that you don’t know that they can’t veto a General Assembly Vote.
The resolution was always doomed to fail because of Moscow’s veto power as a permanent member of the Security Council.
qwertboi – Of course it was doomed but as pointed out above – A resolution passed by a full UN vote can’t be vetoed by permanent members of the security council. Which bit of that are you finding difficult to understand.
@steveH
Eleven of the council’s 15 members voted for the resolution, which was co-written by the United States and Albania. China, India, and the United Arab Emirates abstained.
The UN vote was delayed two hours for last minute negotiations by the United States and others to stop the Chinese abstention.
During a two hour delay of the vote the resolution’s drafters softened the language to say it “deplores” Russia’s “aggression against Ukraine” from “condemns,” while a reference to Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter, which deals with sanctions and authorization of force, was removed along with a reference to “the president.”
The resolution demanded that Russia “immediately cease its use of force against Ukraine” and “immediately, completely, and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders.”
The draft also demanded that Russia reverse its recognition of two separatist states in eastern Ukraine as independent.
So the war is not “illegal” or the council would have noted it, and neither is there going to be a full council meeting “to hold Russia accountable for its (non) illegal invasion of Ukraine”.
Facts matter stevieh.
qwertboi – Yes they do. You need to keep up with the news.
Security Council vote sets up emergency UN General Assembly session on Ukraine crisis
The measure convening the General Assembly session was adopted by a vote of 11 in favor, with Russia voting against, and China, India and the United Arab Emirates abstaining.
Today’s request for the Assembly to urgently convene a meeting comes after Russia vetoed on Friday a US-led draft Security Council resolution that would have ‘deplored in the strongest terms the Russian Federation’s aggression against Ukraine’.
Since the text acted on today was procedural, none of the five permanent Council members – China France, Russia, United Kingdom and the United States – could use their vetoes. The measure needed just nine votes in favor to pass.
Only 10 such emergency special sessions of the General Assembly have been convened since 1950, following the adoption of resolution 377A(V), widely known as ‘Uniting for Peace.’
That text gives the Assembly the power to take up matters of international peace and security when the Security Council is unable to act because of the lack of unanimity among its five veto-wielding permanent members……….
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/02/1112842
Jeremy Corbyn’s life has been put in danger many times before this and the latest smear is just another lie to add to the long line of lies already told about him – that he was a spy, an antisemite, a threat to national security, a Stalinist a Trotskyite , a terrorist supporter etc etc etc.
Starmers Labour does not care about who they hurt and/or trample over so this most recent lie should come as no surprise to anybody. We can also expect (the totally discredited) Panorama to try to do a hatchet job on Jeremy as well as the MSM who are probably even now drafting their disgusting headlines about it.
Smartboy – https://labourlist.org/2022/02/david-lammy-labour-has-no-plans-to-reinstate-jeremy-corbyn-as-labour-mp/
Just as it is hard to take the proponents of invasions-with massive casualties- of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Yemen, seriously when they criticise Russia for taking action against a country, run by Nazis, volunteering to host nuclear weapons to launch against Moscow. So it is impossible to take seriously the self serving scoundrels who have taken the Whip from one of the Labour Party’s most inspiring leaders.
Thank you for the labourlist link Stevieh. Does the Shadow Foreign Secretary, David Lammy, have his own show on Times Radio? His boss does, afterall, bend over backwards, negate 10 Pledges and, some say, refuse to reinstate JC in the party in order to be offered the odd column or two in different Murdoch organ, The Sin. (oops typo).
There is some good news in the polls
▪️HALF of the Cabinet could lose their seats if general election was held now …
▪️JL Partners poll of 4,500 says the Conservatives could lose staggering 164 seats
▪️Predicts Labour would win 352 seats, an increase of 150, awarding majority of 14
▪️Pollster warned of ‘electoral wipeout’ with Tories losing all seats in Scotland and Wales
▪️Boris Johnson and half of his Cabinet could lose their seats if a general election were held now, a poll has revealed.
▪️The Conservatives are facing ‘electoral wipeout’ ……. data shows they are on track to lose a staggering 164 MPs, leaving them with just 201 .
▪️The JL Partners poll of 4,500 people says Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour would pick up 352 seats, an increase of 150, giving him an overall majority of 14, reports the Times.
▪️Meanwhile, the Tories would be wiped out of Scotland and Wales, losing all six and 14 seats they hold in each nation respectively.
▪️But the fatal blow would come from the 65 so-called ‘red wall’ consituencies in the north – who handed Boris a landslide in 2019, …….
▪️According to the latest poll, all but 10 of these – 55 – would revert back to Labour if an election were held today
▪️…….The JL Partners poll of 4,500 people says Sir Keir Starmer’s (pictured) Labour would pick up 352 seats, an increase of 150, giving him an overall majority of 14………
▪️………..When it came to personality match ups, as part of the same poll, Mr Johnson scored an approval rating of -39, compared to Sir Keir’s -7.
▪️In fact on all but three attributes, Sir Keir came out on top, including on ‘tells the truth’, ‘stands up for people like me’, ‘good on detail’, ‘inspiring’, ‘shares my values’, ‘competent’, ‘stands up for the north’, ‘someone who brings people together’, ‘says what he means’, ‘fair’, ‘caring’, ‘best to rebuild the country’, ‘has a clear vision for Britain’, ‘best to handle the coronavirus pandemic’, ‘strong’ and ‘determined’.
▪️The PM only beat Sir Keir on ‘patriotic’, ‘stands up for the south’, and ‘charismatic’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10556181/HALF-Boris-Johnsons-Cabinet-lose-seats-general-election-held-poll-reveals.html
A response which is completely irrelevant to the point here, which is that Lammy has put Corbyn’s life in danger, as someone else on the Labour Right you so relentlessly cheerlead for has put Zara Sultana’s life in danger, by smearing those people on the Russia/Ukraine issue- accusing them of being pro-Putin when neither of them is anything but the sort.
Have you actually reached the point, SteveH, where you feel it’s no big deal for people to be killed for their political views in the UK?
kenburch – If you read the letter that they
bravelybriefly signed then I’m sure that you too will marvel at how anyone could not have realised that what they actually meant to say was “I am horrified at the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I stand with the people of Ukraine and have unequivocally condemned Putin’s actions; I loathe his authoritarian, nationalist and right-wing regime.” 😕In 2018 Corbyn specifically condemned Russian oligarchs money
laundering and called for Magnitsky act to be put through.
He was boo-ed for this by Tories and also for even mentioning
the fact that oligarchs supported the Tory party.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/corbyn-russia-sergei-skripal-money-laundering-magnitsky-act-understands-foreign-policy-a8253446.html
“Corbyn …called for Magnitsky act to be put through.” He was wrong to do so. Browder who sponsors the “Magnitsky” laws is one of the most larcenous oligarchs to have plundered the people of Russia. He stole billions from the Russian Treasury at a time when life expectancy in Russia dropped by more than five years. Millions of working class Russians died in terrible poverty thanks to the likes of Bill Browder.
Spot on Bevin.
Labourlist also tells us that the LabouRight’s callousness has already caused an MP to receive a Death Threat over the Ukraine conflict, here, noting:
“Sultana, along with Diane Abbott, John McDonnell, Richard Burgon, Ian Lavery, Beth Winter, Bell Ribeiro-Addy, Apsana Begum, Mick Whitley, Tahir Ali and Ian Mearns, had signed a statement by the Stop the War Coalition.
“The 11 MPs pulled their support from the statement on Thursday after being urged to do so by Labour’s chief whip and because, LabourList understands, it was thought they would have the whip withdrawn if they refused to do so.”
……and?
Has anyone picked up on Trumptons support for Putin
Putin will return the favour in 2024
Has Baby Trump handed back donations
Then there’s the small matter of who owns Temporary Embarrassment
Those 11 MPs should never have signed a petition they weren’t prepared to stand by. Utter cowards. I don’t care what happens to them, frankly.
As for SteveH’s alleged poll findings, if Starmer lucks into a win that big (or any win, to be honest), I’m leaving the country. I’d rather live under this shower!
……and?
The All that is Solid Blog has already stated everything I’d wish to say here.
Namely “pull the signatures (suuport for Stop the War position), or we pull the whip”.
“On Sunday morning, the Labour right stepped up its war on the left with the comments made by Shadow Foreign Secretary David Lammy on Times Radio. He accused Jeremy Corbyn of “effectively parroting the lines that are coming from Vladimir Putin that suggest that this is because of threats from NATO, or NATO expansion.” Yes, because “no to war in Ukraine” is the slogan emblazoned across every Russian tank as it heads into battle. Another example of using Corbyn to put what they think is electorally favourable distance between the party of its leftwing interlude and now? Yes, and they don’t care if it, by insinuation, portrays people they share the green benches with as “traitors”. It’s not as if two MPs have been murdered in recent years or anything.”
It worries me that Starmer’s clique cannot even lead the party on an imporant geopolitical issue like the conflict without asserting its sectarian interests first. This is not a political party people should look to as an alternative government.
There is a blistering comment from (I think?) Momentum
about the threats to the signatories of the letter – which I
quoted in another thread.
With comrades like this theres no longer any chance of jeremy Corbyn having the whip re..enstated….They could have easily challenged the knight who would have backed down.Sheeple more interested in protecting their cushy numbers for a few months than sticking to a principle..With the labour party waiting for the meltdown in erdington did they really think that the cowardly knight would have had the guts to kick em out of the PLP?.And before we hear from the judean popular front for the liberation of the labour party backing down and appeasement on somthing that could cost lives is not “fighting back” and nor is it the signal that the labour leader can carry on dumping lies and accussations on the last socialist leader of the labour party..They are out anyway before the next general election because this signals the shows over for a democratic socialist labour party.
The Magitsky Act calls for investigations to be made
about oligarchs. If it was indeed a wrong-un who
sponsored it – then he would be among the first
to be investigated.
In fact Corbyn and McDonnell demanded a whole raft
of sanctions against these oligarchs as I believe the press
in 2018 noted. These sanctions were much greater than
anything proposed by Johnson.
Doug – yes a few have picked up on Trumps support
for Putin as a “genius”.
Ahh yes the UN….About as useful as a fart in a colander. Who said the UK had broken so many International Laws and then did nothing about it. Who said Bliar’s Iraq war was illegal and did nothing about it……Pointless posturing.
Meanwhile Starmer’s New Labour continues to sink to the depths of the barrel by endangering lives and siding with a Genocidal Govt. life in the UK 2022.
Can anyone who knows how to do it, start a petition calling for Lammy to withdraw his latest comment on Corbyn?
Paul smith….pointless the leaders of the labour party have shown that the labour party are only available for elections and handouts.and the vast majority left a long time ago….whos going to sign anything after the last lot withdrew their signatures after being threatened and gave a clear signal that the knight controls everthing including the signatures of labour left mps.
What’s Uncle Tom Lammy saying about Corbyn now?
Totally off topic, but this is to thank whoever posted the link to ‘The Trojan Horse’ sometime ago. A truly shocking read. Pleased to see that Nesrine Malik,one of the better contributors to The Guardian, has a piece on it today. Sadly it will probably be totally overshadowed by recent events…
The war in Ukraine is about Russian national security, during the last war [ww2] Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union through the Ukraine, as a result the Soviet Union lost 10’s of millions of citizens, many Ukrainians fought with the Germans. After Germany was reunited in 1991 well documented promises were made by the American leaders that NATO would not move one inch further east, these were lies, Immediately Poland and other states were swallowed up by NATO in the next 25 years leaving notably Ukraine and Georgia as non NATO members. In 2008 a conference was held which promised membership to them also this was a red line for Russia since this would mean they would be surrounded by a hostile military alliance with its naval base in Crimea taken over by NATO.
Incidentally prominent US intellectual and statesman George Kennan foresaw the dangers when he said in 1998 the expansion of NATO would be an ‘epic fateful mistake’ and a “strategic blunder of potentially epic proportions” This mistake has been compounded by the containment policies of the West of Russia, China and Iran, what do containment polices consist of except as the UK said recently their pivot to Asia included sending its latest aircraft carrier to the far east as a sort of Imperial warning and the surrounding of same with military bases and the disruption of their economies? This is lunacy as any self respecting nation will not be intimidated. Certainly not Putin who has shown a masterful understanding of all the machinations of the West.
Finally the US has a policy called the ‘Munroe doctrine’ which warns any peer nation that they must not build any bases or missiles in any state in the Western hemisphere [remember the Cuban missile crisis when the US and the Soviets came close to nuclear war] a few weeks ago Bidens national security advisor said… any breach of the Munroe doctrine would mean the US would act decisively.
There you have it the US will not allow foreign bases anywhere in the western hemisphere i.e. in its own backyard but insists NATO can sit on Russian borders with bases in Ukraine with nuclear missiles aimed at Moscow just 5 minutes flying time away. This quite rightly is a red line for President Putin, he will not let that happen.
So very well said Harry Law,
US/NATO has 750 bases surrounding Russia and China. Russia has 10 on foreign soil, China 4. Tell me who is the aggressor here ?
The Soviet Union lost 24 MILLION people due to the war, so can you understand why they get a bit jumpy when a Ukraine reneges on a treaty to remain neutral and allows Nazi Battalions and NATO to come onto their land?
I am no Putin admirer but if he’s gone I can assure you the Communists will resume control of Russia and the shit will well and truly hit the fan then.
You are absolutely spot on Harry law this time and power to the pen “or keyboard…I really don’t like the fact that putin and Russia are being backed into a corner and I know as a fact that China will not allow the expansion of war games in the S.China sea after weve seen Russia sorounded in their own backyard.
I think China are sitting on the fence about this –
they do not wants to be seen as heartless Bs
when the parents of a dead child are shown weeping.
However this is not new .. the war has been going
on for years .. and there have been many dead
children. It demonstrates the futility of
“Mutually Assured Destruction” which only works
if both parties are rational. which is not the case for
either Putin orTrump
Thank you for this Harry Law – I tried to “like” it but couldn’t
Up to point Lord Copper …!!
Yes I do know about how many Russians citizens
lost their lives in WW2. However do you really
think the surrounding NATO Countries worry Putin
and that he fears being attacked by them? In
his case – no – and that is why he attacked
Ukraine for the same reason that NATO did
not go to the defence of Ukraine directly..
This is a war by proxy.
We have far too many nuclear weapons and the
recent war shows this. When we heard the threat
from Putin my partner looked at me and
said bitterly “Well I went on three Aldermaston
marches so Ive done my best ..”
‘To think is now declared a crime.
The Murdoch puppet bleated?
There is only ONE official line.
Dissent must be defeated.
This many headed Gorgon.
With Neo-Liberal Thread.
Smash the thinking humans!
Better Dead than Well Read!’
Was that piece inspired by the EU proposing a ban on RT & Sputnik perhaps? Very timely!
Incidentelly in 2014 the US staged a coup in Ukraine which was preceded by Victoria Nuland distributing 5 Billion dollars to NGO,s in order to topple the legitimate Ukrainian President and set up a US led puppet government [remember Nulands phone call to US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt F—k the EU]. Here is a letter I sent to Foreign Sec William Haig about his misleading the House of Commons regarding Ukraine’s breach of its own constitution….
Dear Sir/Madam.
I sent an e-mail to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office on 13th March 2014 and a follow up one on 7th April 2014, asking the Foreign Secretary to correct a misleading statement he made to the House of Commons on 4th March 2014. I have not received any replies. I wish to make a formal complaint. Here is the complaint.
In a statement to the House of Commons on 4th March 2014, the Foreign Secretary deceived the House about the legitimacy of the new regime in Ukraine. He led the House to believe that the Ukrainian parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, had removed President Yanukovych from power on 22 February 2014 in accordance with the Ukrainian constitution and that therefore “it is wrong to question the legitimacy of the new authorities. It is simply untrue that the Rada followed the procedure laid down in the Ukrainian constitution to impeach and remove a president from power.
Article 108 of the Ukraine constitution has four circumstances whereby a President can be replaced, the powers of the President of Ukraine terminate prior to the expiration of term in cases of:
1) resignation;
2) inability to exercise his or her powers for reasons of health;
3) removal from office by the procedure of impeachment;
4) death.
The procedure, laid down in Article 111 of the constitution, is not unlike that required for the impeachment and removal from power of a US president, which could take months.
Thus, Article 111 obliges the Rada to establish a special investigatory commission to formulate charges against the president, seek evidence to justify the charges and come to conclusions about the president’s guilt for the Rada to consider.
Prior to a final vote to remove a president from power, it requires
(a) The Constitutional Court of Ukraine to review the case and certify that the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration has been followed, and
(b) The Supreme Court of Ukraine must certify that the acts of which the President is accused are worthy of impeachment.
The Rada didn’t follow this procedure at all. No investigatory commission was established and the Courts were not involved. On 22 February 2014, the Rada simply passed a bill removing President Yanukovych from office.
Furthermore, the bill wasn’t even supported by three quarters of the members of the Rada, as required by Article 111 for the removal of a president from office – it was supported by 328 members, when it required 338 (since the Rada has 450 members).
Justifying UK support for the new regime in Kiev in the House of Commons on 4 March 2014, the Foreign Secretary said:
“Former President Yanukovych left his post and then left the country, and the decisions on replacing him with an acting President were made by the Rada, the Ukrainian Parliament, by the very large majorities required under the constitution, including with the support of members of former President Yanukovych’s party, the Party of Regions, so it is wrong to question the legitimacy of the new authorities.”
The Ukrainian President had not resigned, he is still the legitimate President of Ukraine, therefore the Foreign Secretary’s statement was a calculated deception of the House of Commons, designed to give the impression that the procedure prescribed in the Ukrainian constitution for the removal of a president from office had been followed, when it hadn’t.
Because this statement was fundamentally wrong can I be assured that the Foreign Secretary will tell the House of Commons at the earliest opportunity, and through them the British people, that the statement he made on 4th March 2014, was false.
I await your response
Regards Harry Law.
God forbid that anyone should mention Starmer’s and Savile’s name in the same breath.
What utter hypocrites these tossers are.
When and why did Lammy decide that it was wrong for one country to invade another?
That was certainly not his view back in 2003 because he voted to invade Iraq.
“David Lammy consistently voted for the Iraq war”
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10678/david_lammy/tottenham/divisions?policy=1049
EU jet fighters & other lethal arms being sent to Ukraine & the closure of RT & Sputnik. Whatever happened to ‘Freedom of Speech’ & ‘Diversity of Opinion’? World War 2…….now just unfinished business for Germany.
When I thought to contact the BBC to make a complaint about its coverage of events in Ukraine & Nato expansion, I wrote it out & entered my e-mail address but the BBC wanted more information about me, they wanted to know where I lived, they wanted my home address. I decided to telephone my complaint instead & I spoke to a young lady who suggested that as I was disinclined to give my address, I was probably not paying my tv license. When I suggested that was an irrelevance & had nothing to do with my opinion & just a little bit ‘Big Brother’, the line went dead. So much for speaking truth to power.
I would’ve asked for her name so I could report the cheeky cunt to her superiors, then hung up on her before she could beat me to it!
Did you record your call?
‘Fraid knot SteveH, but I am starting to get just a little bit paranoid. I blame it on Sir Keir!
I use an app called TotalRecall, it automatically records all my calls. (you can set exceptions) It is surprising how useful it has proved to be in the past.
Thank you very much to Harry Law for his very informative posts. I am as horrified as anyone else about the current situation, but because of my previous lack of knowledge I have spent a lot of time reading this past week and it is a complicated story as to how it got to this. However, I am usually shouted down as a ‘Putin apologist’ if I so much as suggest it might not be quite so black and white as the MSM would have us believe.
MAD
Mutually Assured Destruction
The end of the human race
Really
Russia has simply called the wests bluff and said enough
China will do the same at a time of their choice
The binary choice we should offer is you can vote for war and the destruction of the planet or you can vote for peace and prosperity
We can argue its a real choice now, these lunatics will take us over the edge and are robbing us blind, until we say enough, it doesn’t have to be like this
Ukraine and Russia Foreign Ministers have had talks in Minsk.
Agreed to meet again to continue.
Let’s hope they can agree to.
1. Implement the Minsk Agreement and make Ukraine a federation with internal autonomy for all regions including Luhansk and Donetsk.
2. The withdrawal of Russian troops.
3. Guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty and neutrality.
4. Bring to justice the Neo-Nazis who burnt to death around 40 people and badly injured over 100 in Odessa in 2014.
5. Disband and disarm the Azov Battalion.
goldbach
I have no doubt Putin is a fully paid up member of the kleptocracy and they have moved the dial for the MIC
There has been a quantum leap in funding commitments for very little collateral damage
Scott Ritter is very level-headed.
He has his concerns now.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/27/putins-nuclear-threat/
goldbach
He appears to be saying the lunatics are in the West, question is how do you get through to them
Putin knows all this and will play them, don’t forget he has the Chinese in reserve, what you will see is pain being inflicted on the west
The west is financially and morally bankrup it won’t take much to have the required effect, its basically the end of the American empire
Well said Goldbach.
Socialists say why waste one more life?
Whilst Western politicians send in more arms in and some grotesque encourage Western citizens to volunteer and risk and possibly throw their lives away?
Why doesn’t Ms Truss get in that tank and lead that charge?
War is grotesque.
Western Leaders including Truss who jump to US demands as Nye Bevan would probably have said are too stupid to be in their posts!
I was watching Politics Live at lunchtime – the subject of
sanctions on the oligarchs came up and Clive Lewis stated
that the Labour Party had been campaigning for these for
years. The Tory MP (I think?) there had the grace to look
embarrassed that it had taken so much time to implement
these. What was NOT said is that Corbyn was booed when
he brought up the subject in Parliament.
This makes my blood pressure rise – to think that this could have
been avoided if Corbyn had been listened to. The Tories made a
song and dance about the expulsion of the diplomats after the
Salisbury poisonings – but this meant nothing – “the three amigos”
in other words.
I had to turn it off in the end – not good for my blood pressure
Zelenskyy has just sent ‘an emergency application’ for Ukraine to join the EU (source RT)
This was reported yesterday by both the BBC and Sky.
The implication of Starmer’s stance on this is that continued Party membership is conditional on supporting his bag of shite position.
Members were sent an embarrassing missive the other day telling us how the LP is now in effect openly supporting a regime dominated by Nazis.
To which I have just replied in the following way:
Dear Mr Starmer,
As a former serving member of the BOAR I am appalled at the fact that a
supposed leader of the Labour Party is openly supporting a regime
dominated by Neo-Nazi thugs who have spent years shelling and killing
civilians for being the wrong ethnicity and speaking the wrong language.
The many UK and Commonwealth servicemen & women who sacrificed
themselves in the fight to rid Europe and the world of Nazi’s &
Fascists must be turning in their grave at the fact of this country &
its current generation of service personnel are openly and actively
supporting and giving material aid and support, including training, to
Nazi paramilitary thugs.
The OSCE among others have documented the level of violence taking place
on the Donbass contact line in which Russian speaking peoples forced to
defend themselves have for eight years formed the majority of civilian
casualties.
As detailed here going right back to the murder of civilians in Odessa
in May 2014 by thugs you now insist Labour members such as myself should
support as a condition of our membership:
https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer
The record of evidence clearly shows the requirements of the Minsk
agreements have been consistently ignored by the Ukrainian Regime,
violently installed in a coup by the USA in 2014, at the behest of those
who instigated that illegal coup with the obvious intent on provoking
such a reaction and outcome.
The notion that the Labour Party and Labour Party members should support
such a regime given the context to this situation is an insult not only
to existing and previuos generations of Party members but also to that
generation of British and Commonwealth Service personnel and civilians
who sacrificed so much to defend the true values of this country which
you sir, are now urinating on.
You are a fraud and a disgrace.
No sir, as an ex-serviceman I will not support this travesty of
authentic Labour values.
You can go to hell.
24299279 D C Hansell Membership Number L1469498
Dave – Have you been watching RT again, both the President and the Prime Minister of Ukraine are Jewish
The implication of Starmer’s stance on this is that continued Party membership is conditional on supporting his bag of shite position.
Members were sent an embarrassing missive the other day telling us how the LP is now in effect openly supporting a regime dominated by Nazis.
To which I have just replied in the following way:
Dear Mr Starmer,
As a former serving member of the BOAR I am appalled at the fact that a
supposed leader of the Labour Party is openly supporting a regime
dominated by Neo-Nazi thugs who have spent years shelling and killing
civilians for being the wrong ethnicity and speaking the wrong language.
The many UK and Commonwealth servicemen & women who sacrificed
themselves in the fight to rid Europe and the world of Nazi’s &
Fascists must be turning in their grave at the fact of this country &
its current generation of service personnel are openly and actively
supporting and giving material aid and support, including training, to
Nazi paramilitary thugs.
The OSCE among others have documented the level of violence taking place
on the Donbass contact line in which Russian speaking peoples forced to
defend themselves have for eight years formed the majority of civilian
casualties.
As detailed here going right back to the murder of civilians in Odessa
in May 2014 by thugs you now insist Labour members such as myself should
support as a condition of our membership:
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The record of evidence clearly shows the requirements of the Minsk
agreements have been consistently ignored by the Ukrainian Regime,
violently installed in a coup by the USA in 2014, at the behest of those
who instigated that illegal coup with the obvious intent on provoking
such a reaction and outcome.
The notion that the Labour Party and Labour Party members should support
such a regime given the context to this situation is an insult not only
to existing and previuos generations of Party members but also to that
generation of British and Commonwealth Service personnel and civilians
who sacrificed so much to defend the true values of this country which
you sir, are now urinating on.
You are a fraud and a disgrace.
No sir, as an ex-serviceman I will not support this travesty of
authentic Labour values.
You can go to hell.
24299279 D C Hansell Membership Number L1469498
As I said above – You are conveniently ignoring that both the President and the Prime Minister of Ukraine are Jewish
It makes no difference to how the society is operating and functioning:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
“These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.”
Including the constant shelling of the Donbass by these people because those in Eastern Ukraine are the ‘wrong’ ethnicity and speak the ‘wrong’ language.
As demonstrated here in Odessa in May 2014:
Bravo, Dave! After nearly 3 hours, I appear to be the first to “like” your comment. For shame…
OSCE and others have the analysis of eight years of brutality which was supposed to have been dealt with by the Minsk Accords but which have been ignored by the Ukraine Regime, imposed with billions of US dollars by war whores like Victoria Nuland who was running the Maiden back in 2014.
https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer
Zelensky and the Ukraine Government are mere fronts with no power – acting as just another client state to be used by the Gangsters in Washington and London. The idea they have any effective practical power is risible.
No one, including you steveH, gave or give a flying fuck about those being slaughtered in the Donbass over the past eight years. you never said a thing or condemned it. Zilch. Nada. Zero.
Every country that has been bombed back to the stone age has witnessed economic sanctions by those doing the bombing prior to that bombing.
So tell us armchair expert: After two decades of trying to use diplomatic negotiation to the resolve the existential threat evidenced in places like Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanisatan, Libya, Syria, Somalia et al with no result except further expansion of NATO; the installation of bio-labs and missiles into Ukraine with a five minute fly time to Moscow; Nuclear bombing exercises within 20 miles of their border:
What are the peoples of the RF supposed to do? Lay down and die? line up for slaughter like the Iraqi’s, Libyian’s, Syrians, Somalians, Yugoslaves etc who preceded them? Wave a Magic Wand? Pick up a Rainbow Flag? Phone a friend? What?
You won’t answer that question steveH, but you and I both know for definite that your position is they should just sit back and accept their fate like good little snow n*****s. Let themselves be slaughtered and have their resources plundered so that liberals like yourself can virtue signal to each other over how terrible it is over your lattes.
People like you an embarrassment to the species. You selectively pick and choose when to apply a principle and when not to. You deliberately ignore inconvenient evidence which does not fit the Official Narrative you seek to serve.
Like a little boy in a playground, running with the bigger boys – like those in the video in Odessa. Wearing your sneer and disdain like a badge. A sad little troll with a sad little life. Reduced to being somebody else’s bitch. Urinating on the sacrifice of previous generations.
Just as well you were not in out Unit. There would have a queue round the block to fight it out to be in the firing squad necessary to improve the gene pool of the species.
Ditto to my last comment…
Dave – Don’t be silly and naive, nobody in the west has any intention of invading Russia and starting a nuclear war. The problem here is Putin’s hubris and his dreams of an imperialist legacy.
Read 2 cracking pieces, one from John Pilger on his webpage John Pilger.com ‘War in Europe and Raw Propaganda’ and ‘Natoland’ by Tariq Ali on New Left Review’s Sidecar blog.
In this latter piece TA points out that in December the UN voted to outlaw the promotion of Nazi symbols, memorials etc by 136 votes to 2.
The USA and Ukraine voted against and perhaps some countries whose citizens were victims aren’t too pleased?
Let’s hope the Peace talks on the border produce a breakthrough.
Yours in Peace
Just heard an academic on Rumble make the point that China could play a role in gaining Peace?
Also he suggested much of the Western reporting is focussing on the major cities but the main thrust of the Russian forces has been in the Donbas region where the Ukraine forces may be encircled and we are not being told about that area?
Very interesting.
There is an interesting interview on “Hard Talk”
where Simon Sakur talks to a Ukrainian author.
Sakur challenges him on the right wing elements
in Ukraine and there is a discussion about
Ukrainian history which is apparently much
much older than Russian history