Corbyn to urge ‘outriders’ to stop attacks on Labour ‘leave’ MPs, promises no whip withdrawal
A series of recent columns by ‘blue-tick left’, remain-supporting commentators have demanded that Corbyn must withdraw the whip – essentially expel from the parliamentary Labour party (PLP) – any MP who votes in favour of Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, should he succeed in reaching an agreement with the European Union.
A number of MPs submitted written complaints to the Labour leader about those articles, which they believe are an attempt to publicly bully or intimidate them into turning against the wishes of their constituents.
In response, Corbyn has promised that:
- MPs will not lose the whip for any vote on Johnson’s deal
- he will ask blue-tick outriders to cease the ‘bullying’ of northern MPs
This commitment effectively means that the vote on any deal Johnson brings back to Parliament will be treated as an ‘unwhipped’ conscience issue, allowing MPs freedom to vote as they believe best.
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Thought it was only jewish MP’s being bullied?
….or was it Jewish mp’s doing the bullying?
Any Labour MP who assists Johnson with ANY of his legislation should have the whip withdrawn. Labour MPs are there to support Labour policies not Tory or anyone else’s policies.
‘not Tory or anyone else’s policies.’
And if their constituents voted to leave but they vote to remain, they’re out on their arses.
Not a difficult concept to grasp for those with a modicum of perspicacity.
Fuck me pink Toffee that was beautiful
All current Labour MPs were elected on a manifesto which promised to respect the result of the 2016 referendum – lest you forget.
Not only do jack and the other two NEVER complain (Or even mention) about watson & starmer riding roughshod over party policy and allowing them to act as they see fit in order to coerce the leadership into accepting their plans without anything being passed by congress; he’ll also call you a tory if you dissent.
…And then preach to you about ‘democracy’.
These people call themselves ‘democratic socialists’
…No, honestly!
To respect can also mean to agree to disagree, and no one should assume that people act on it if it might be to the majority’s disadvantage/harm.
And agreeing to disagree does NOT mean to outright disregard, like watson starmer and jack t have consistently done.
Disregard is another word for disrespect so your argument makes as much sense as Marvin Hagler emploting a full-time barber.
‘he’ll also call you a tory if you dissent.’
*And demand your expulsion
As shown above, Lexiters will accept any deal as long as they can pin the title ‘Brexit’ on to it. What they are not prepared to admit is that ANY form of Brexit will damage the prospects of the UK and those who can least whithstand it. It’s Brexit of any description for them or bust, no matter who gets hurt as a result.
Thought you was the one super confident that there’d be your precious 2nd ref?
Wassamarra jack? Wanna blame everyone in the folorn hope they won’t notice your woeful shortfalls in your predictions and opinions?
Nothing’s gone through yet, before you start filling your nappy – again.
Toffee, as one of Farage’s loyal disciples I’ve never once seen you write anything positive about making competitors out of our 27 continental partners. You seem to be more content and take great delight in trawling through the sewers of your vocabulary thinking it will upset those with more concern than you for the consequences of Farage’s delusions.
By jaysus – but you’d bore a zombie back to death, jack.
farage and 17m others. Are THEY all his disciples?
As for what I’m supposed to be content with, at least it isn’t baiting people with your OCD about zionism and dictating the way people should be treated if they don’t do as YOU say…..Unless of course it’s watson & starmer who’ll you happily allow to take the piss.
They both support zionism though, jack. So does thornberry. And YOU allowed them a free hand to act as they please to undermine Corbyn AND party policy over brexit.
Any port in a storm, eh?
So don’t EVER preach to ANYONE over who they’re allegedly a disciple of when you’re THE most morally defunct and incontinent poster on here.
“farage and 17m others. Are THEY all his disciples?”
Long story short : Effectively ‘yes’ – trained to sit up and beg by the SunMail axis.
You can wrap your toffee up any way you like (and … ooo – daring —) write sweary words as a fake emulation of being ‘working class, but it;’s still a sticky mess inside the wrapper. 🙂
Long story short : Effectively ‘yes’ – trained to sit up and beg by the SunMail axis.
Your proof of this is?
Obviously if you didn’t vote remain, you’re incapable of critical thought.
Talking of critical thought, what recent event happened that should make many rethink their leave stance (myself included)?
Toffee, what a pleasure it is to rattle the bars of your play pen 😊
“Your proof of this is?”
The actions – not the words Just as voting for a no deal Brexit aligns the perpetrators with the ERG.
There are questions to be asked about whether the election first strategy is still, actually possible, as opposed to desirable, under the current circumstances.
There are also questions to be asked about the gruesome prospect of a protracted referendum scenario on the Boris WA.
If election first is no longer viable and whether one supports remain or leave, I would suggest that Corbyn is right not to whip those MPS – for quite a few reasons, some of which have already been commented on above.
If the Labour response is to push for a referendum on the Boris deal, that may, in fact, have the effect of bringing some of those dissenters on board.
Sky news has just shown Corbyn saying that Labour would vote against the deal. He made no reference to a confirmatory vote in the clip that i saw. So, in spite of those noises from shadow ministers for Brexit, maybe election first is still on the cards? No doubt somebody is computing numbers and looking at the latest from the DUP
I’ve just seen a Sky News clip showing Corbyn saying that Labour would not support the deal. He made no mention of a referendum. Perhaps this suggests that, in spite of the noises coming from shadow ministers for Brexit, an election first is still on the cards? No doubt someone will be computing numbers and looking at the latest position of the DUP.
oops!
Corbyn backs public vote as Johnson agrees deal with EU
Jeremy Corbyn has made clear that Labour backs another referendum in response to the news that Boris Johnson has agreed a Brexit deal with the European Union.
Reacting to the announcement, the Labour leader said: “From what we know, it seems the Prime Minister has negotiated an even worse deal than Theresa May’s, which was overwhelmingly rejected.
“These proposals risk triggering a race to the bottom on rights and protections: putting food safety at risk, cutting environmental standards and workers’ rights, and opening up our NHS to a takeover by US private corporations.
“This sell out deal won’t bring the country together and should be rejected. The best way to get Brexit sorted is to give the people the final say in a public vote.”
https://labourlist.org/2019/10/corbyn-backs-public-vote-as-johnson-agrees-deal-with-eu/
The DUP has come out against it because it crosses their red line of no border in the Irish sea. As I recall Theresa May got this deal around Dec 2017 and the DUP scuppered it for that reason. As she depended on DUP votes to stay in power she went back to the EU and renegotiated the second deal which was rejected by MPs 3 times.
The DUP now have very little influence given the parliamentary arithmetic which is why Johnson has resurrected the Irish sea border solution and is happy to sell them out – they have learned a hard lesson – never trust a Tory.
It’s all been a protracted exercise of smoke and mirrors.
The EU has bent over backwards to help Mr Toad look as if he’s achieved something, because of the danger of everyone slitting their wrists or throwing up as the circularity gets more and more inistent.
But nothing has essentially changed. Nor could it on the basis of Brexiteers trying to wish away gravity and claiming fairies at the bottom of the garden.
Stupid ideas don’t become less stupid on the basis of repetition.
“MPs will not lose the whip for any vote on Johnson’s deal”
Looks like NEC has other plans. Erm what happened to member led party? What about CLPs? NEC is looking like an autocratic council.
https://twitter.com/jonlansman/status/1185123427671248896
It’s very tempting to say that if Lansman wants a three line whip then that’s a good reason against it. Whether there should be, or shouldn’t be, I think that tweeting against the leader’s current position is, once again, not very clever. It muddies the waters considerably when the leader of the opposition needs agility, a free hand and some semblance/appearance of being in charge.
“It muddies the waters considerably when the leader of the opposition needs agility, a free hand and some semblance/appearance of being in charge.”
It certainly does. It also looks like a threat, even bullying, to me. What Lansman et al consider ‘Socialist’ is also a question I have. Like so many political terms it has quite a flexible meaning these days like fascist which is often used against anyone who doesn’t agree. I’ve seen tweets from ‘lefts’ calling the commuters involved in the ER train incident fascists.
Re ER train incident:
Shame on me; I’ve only just caught up with that thread, but Moosy, Y’self and others, sum it up well.
Yes, to the dubious value of labels and labelling, most especially in the current political climate.
And, at the risk of undermining what I’ve just said, Lansman’s idea of “Socialist”, at the very least, doesn’t appear to be especially “democratic” since the means and the end don’t line up with each other.
Still, perhaps, in some cases we are talking about ‘behaviour’ (and most especially, fallible, misguided and often inept behaviour) more than ‘ideas’. Otherwise I’d not only have to completely rule out Lansman, but also John McDonnell and quite a few others too.
Certainly, we should let those “socialists” know what we feel about their behaviour, by whatever democratic means available to us. As per Ceredig’s comment, better a party with integrity in opposition, than corrupt in power.
Re ER train incident:
Shame on me; I’ve only just caught up with that thread, but Moosy, Y’self and others, sum it up well.
Yes, to the dubious value of labels and labelling, especially in the current political climate.
And, at the risk of undermining what I’ve just said, I would suggest that Lansman’s idea of “Socialist” certainly isn’t predicated on “democratic” because in his case the means don’t line up well with the ends.
Still, perhaps we are talking about fallible, misguided and often inept “behaviour” rather than “ideas”, though I must admit it’s extremely difficult to separate these two; otherwise I’d not only have to completely rule out Lansman, but also John McDonnell and a good few others too.
Certainly these “socialists” need to know what we feel about their behaviour and where our loyalties lie, by whatever democratic means available to us. As per the comment by Ceredig, better an opposition with integrity, than a corrupt party in power.
huh, wordpress – my comment disappears; i type it again from memory; post it again and up they both come – embarrassing- spot the difference if you will!
huh, this is getting embarrassing, wordpress appears to lose my post, I type it from memory again and then lo and behold – spot the difference, if you will.
I’ve been having that problem on and off for a while as have others. If a comment doesn’t appear straight away wait a few minutes and see if it appears, it usually does. There seems to be a delay at times.
Thanks Maria, will do. These tentative posts were certainly not repeated for emphasis!