Derek Pounder warns that failure of governments to force access is destroying justice and giving Israel impunity
Academic and forensic pathologist Derrick Pounder, one of the UK’s leading forensic experts, has said that Israel’s ban on experts entering the Gaza strip is designed to hide the massive scale and horrific nature of Israel’s war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza – and has demanded immediate access for the world’s experts to catalogue and investigate those crimes.
Pounder warned that the devastating suffering of the people of Gaza is far beyond numerical human losses and that Israel’s impunity is destroying the idea of justice globally, making access to Gaza for international forensic experts and journalists even more vital, adding that Israel would only be blocking access in the way that it is because it wants to conceal that the sheer horror and scale of its crimes dwarfs even the gut-wrenching and heart-rending that have reached the world through the courage and sacrifice of local journalists:
What we see of the tragedy is only part of the picture; what we don’t see is far worse, otherwise Israel would not prevent international journalists from entering.
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Without the military subjugation of Germany, the true horror of what the Nazis did to Jews, Roma, and political opponents would have remained hidden. The same military support for the forcible discovery of evidence in Gaza should be threatened if access is not granted. Of course Israel’s apologists will not allow it. Trump will be allowed to concrete over the evidence before there is any meaningful discovery.
The bottom line is that these crimes and the further planned crimes inherent in the stated intentions of expanding the Apartheid settler State through the Greater Israel/Judea Project (Jordon, Lebanon, and parts of Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Egypt) can only be stopped and prevented by forced military subjugation of the Zionist project with the objective of destroying the project in the same way that the Nazi Germany Project was destroyed.
Replacing that supremacist fascist project with a proper democratic State in which every citizen – Palestinian, Jew, Christian, Muslim etc – has equal civil rights and where no one has dominance over anyone else.
Failure on the part of the world to stop this will only lead to further expansion of this project to take in other peoples to be conquered and subjugated. A theme which Jeffery Sachs touches upon following the short clip starting at 26:36 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrbMw6U1dJE&ab_channel=JudgeNapolitano-JudgingFreedom
Because that mindset based on total domination does not do boundaries. If the world continues to let it fester with impunity, it will continue until no one is left to challenge its insatiable appetite to grind anyone not one of them into the dust.
Dave, Or you could economically crush Zionism.
And politically too by citizens booting out all the Western Leaders who have armed & aided & abetted the Genocidal Land Thieves for a share of the loot
(Profits).
And dispatch the lot to The Hague.
Perhaps in rank order the above (we hope) are more likely.
Given the levels of financial backing for Israel and its economy from the USA and to a lesser extent other Western States which double, triple and quadruple down on such positions rather than give up their primary proxy, it seems reasonable to observe that by the time we have bankrupted the sponsors holding the spear and their economies there will be no Palestinians left to save.
Secondly, the next opportunity to remove (boot out) politically the leaders aiding and abetting this in the UK and the USA will be in four years time. Not sure what the timetable will be for other Western States like Germany, France etc is. However, two problems arise via this political route:
1. There’s no guarantee, as matters stand, that some other part of the Hydra that is the uni-party will not replace them and continue the same policies which have been consistent within the British or other Western Establishment elite Oligarchy.
2, Even if 1 is not the case, the time factor still applies. By the time all the ducks are in a row, if ever, will be too late.
Which leaves violent revolution not only in the UK and US but across all the Western sponsors of Genocide.
And on the matter of protests in the UK, this might be of interest:
https://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2025/08/29/even-the-guardian-thinksyvettes-a-liar/
Dave, My heart is with you on revolutions but my mind is tragically saying this is fantasy though I pray to be proven wrong.
Though Yemen is punching a few holes.
Iran could take out the Zionists but they know the lumpen Western leaders would pile in & it would be their end.
Will the capitalist bought lap of luxury Arab leaders pile in or will their citizens rise up?
But perhaps the latter have been chastened by their tyrants from last time?
Of course the Zionists could go mad led by the Far Right settlers and attack Russia or China?
That would be interesting.
SA apartheid was broken by some military action against it, a United opposition, and their dependance on Black Labour, a mighty force, but Israel is built on land expropriation and is NOT dependent on Palestinian labour (unfortunately) but some argue what finally broke SA apartheid’s back was a total boycott of their goods by Black America.
This is the terrible situation we who are on the side of Palestinians and one state face.
Perhaps if Palestinians had adopted the tactics of sabotage like the French Resistance & the tactics of the Algerians who won, booting Imperialist France out, things would be different but we are where we are.
And every day we witness horror for Western profits.
And yes it’s a race against time, daily slaughter v eroding the Zionists & Lumpen Western Leaders economic & political power.
I don’t want one more human being to lose their lives over CAPITALIST PROFITS.
“The frontier has been a constant of capitalist world history from Siberia to The Amazon. It has always an ugly, bloody process of imperial conquest.”
Nic Johnson in New Left Review, Sept/Oct 2023.
Some hope is “Palestinians need to follow a grassroots approach.” (Olymar, Palestinian intellectual).
And Step up BDS.
Israel’s economy has been hit by half a trillion.
“Slowly, slowly catchey monkey.” (?)
☮️😢❤️🆘⚖️Free Palestine.
If there’s a third option other than military force beyond ritual condemnation, it would best be useful for the world to get off its arse and apply it before there are no Palestinians left. Because the way matters are going, once the tipping point is reached they will be forcefully made extinct very quickly.
And we may not be that far away from an extinction tipping point. And once that precedent has been set, there’s no putting that Pandora back in its box – with all the consequences that ensue.
Here’s Jeffrey Sachs:
Meanwhile, the proscription of protest against the Genocide gathers apace in Britain:
Great reporting Skwawkbox. Israel-supporting quisling governments like Keir Starmer’s are an obstacle to Israel’s war crimes ever being formally admitted and punished. Think about it.
The available evidence of Israel’s military actions and plausible genocide in Gaza is already horrific, but professor Pounder is saying TWO things are needed to advance a solution:
1) formal, international recognition that Israel is blocking access for international forensic experts, media, and NGOs.
2) This immediate and urgent need for forensic access is made less likely by the complicit actions of pro-Israel Governments (like Britain’s and Germany’s) Therefore,
‘On the issue of accountability, Pounder underscored the role of independent mechanisms such as the International Criminal Court (ICC).
“Forensic experts can only support the international justice system, so until the ICC accesses Gaza with its forensic experts, until NGOs … enter Gaza and can investigate, until international journalists can enter Gaza and investigate, there is little forensic evidence that we can gather,” he said.’. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/interview-israel-s-gaza-killings-reveal-base-of-what-one-people-can-do-to-another-top-uk-forensic-pathologist/3666369
The International Criminal Court (or similar) needs to step up to the bar or Israel gets away with it (again).
The question arises as to what means the ICC or any other talking shop have to ensure and enforce the stated objective?
In other words, to paraphrase an anecdotal quote allegedly attributed to Stalin; ‘How many divisions does the ICC, the forensic experts, or non Deep State Controlled and owned NGO’s have?’
Because no amount of pleading, rational argument, protesting in the streets or jumping up and down is going to make a blind bit of difference to:
a) A State whose leadership supported by the majority of its populace openly brag about the fact that they can do what the hell they want to anyone they want with impunity and without repercussion – ‘The World has done nothing to stop us’ .
b) The sponsors and minders of that Colonial Settler State – built in their own image – which, without a hint of irony, refer to themselves as ‘Western Civilisation’.*
The only practical way to achieve the objective and to prevent any further death’s and suffering inflicted by these masochistic fanatical zealots is by force of arms. Which is the only language that mindset understands.
* On which note, here’s some salient observation from Caitlin Johnson:
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2025/08/29/western-civilization-is-not-worth-saving/
“We don’t need to rescue western civilisation from outside forces, we need to rescue ourselves from western civilisation……
……This civilisation is genocidal. Ecocidal. Omnicidal. Imperialist.Racist. Dehumanizing. Degrading. Dystopian. Emotionally stunted. Culturally vapid. Spiritually impoverished. Intellectually enslaved. Why would any sane person want this to continue?
…..the call isn’t to save western civilization from corruption by foreign cultures or new ways of thinking, but to radically transform it from the murderous, tyrannical and oppressive nightmare that it has always been.
……The western way of life doesn’t need to be preserved, it needs to end. We cannot keep doing this. We cannot go on this way. We cannot keep poisoning our planet, our minds, our hearts and our souls with the McGenocide ideology of the western empire. We are headed somewhere dark, somewhere none of us want to go, and we need to turn around.
Nothing about our old way of doing things has worked out for us.”
Jonathan cooks latest article is essential Readinghttps://jonathancook.substack.com/p/even-the-medias-gaza-investigations/comments?utm_campaign=unknown&utm_medium=web
Latest – USA might prevent Palestinian reps attending the UN.
Last time they did this was when Arafat was to address the General Council, he was to offer an olive branch of one multi-ethnic democratic state of Palestine (see full speech in G.D.Smith, A 4,000 Year History of Palestine).
The whole of the UN delegates upped sticks and met in Paris to hear Arafat’s speech there.
Perhaps should relocate permanently outside of the USA.
Dave, Thanks for video and Sachs et al were brilliant.
Kind of confirms what I was saying but adds more teeth and demands action from big players & organisations instead of just condemnation ie like booting Israel out of the UN & sanctions etc to crush Israel economically and politically.
And we should be demanding more from the diverse w class etc in the world eg don’t transport Israeli arms & products, using the power we have in our heads, hands & pockets.
Demand an end to arms sales to Israel, stop letting Israel manufacture arms in other countries, & stop trading with the Israeli illegal occupation force.
We need to up our game.
Bazza, my apologies for not being very clear in articulating what I am seeing in terms of facts on the ground.
I’ll try to rectify this.
The podcast I linked to with Jeffrey Sachs…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzwPbZifMQ&ab_channel=BreakingPoints
…..highlighted the fact that Tony Blair, along with Jarrad Krushner, was in consultations this week with Trump about the reconstruction of Gaza after it has been ethnically cleansed. A term which is just a polite way of expressing the forced extinction of an entire ethnic people.
A feat which even Hitler did not manage.
One of a number of very obvious conclusions which can be drawn from such a discussion is that the financial centres of London and New York, along with the elites who control those centres and make all the decisions for the bought and paid for political marionettes in various Parliaments and Senates, are signalling very clearly that regardless of BDS, Sanctions, trade boycotts etc designed to collapse the Israeli economy, the Western oligarchy will prop up the economy of its proxy come what may. Even to the detriment of dismantling social security, welfare payments, pensions, subsidies etc of the 99% in their own Country’s.
Leaving aside the issue of the uni-party problem in what passes for the Western demos, what’s problematic here is that (a) the clock is ticking for what is left of the Palestinian people who don’t have four years for us to change our leaders for another set of stooges who will continue the same policies. People who are not only being slaughtered with ordinance supplied from the West and intelligence from the same spear carriers but are also being systematically starved. After nearly two years of this, at some juncture in the not too distant future, a trigger point will be reached where there is no longer a population left to defend.
One of the outcomes of opening that particular Pandora’s box is that Hamas will have neither people nor territory left to defend as the bulldozers and cranes of the Western financiers move in to develop Gaza in the same way as they are already doing so in the West Bank. With any remaining members of the Palestinian diaspora scattered and isolated around the globe as easy targets to finish the extinction event.
A policy fully supported by the majority of the populace in Israel as seen in the third video in the other Skwawkbox article about the triple tap murder of Jornalists in Gaza.
Such a plausible outcome seems as comprehensive a definition of defeating Hamas – a proxy term for opposition – as it’s possible to get. With the very real question of dealing with any opposition anywhere else in the Region and the World in the same or similar way hanging in the air.
(b) The logical way for the Western 1% to extend its Ponzi scheme investments in Gaza and propping up the Israeli economy which the representatives of that Oligarchy (Blair among others) are discussing with their enforces (Trump and other Western politicians) is to expand the territory of Israel in the region via the Greater Israel/Judea Project. Which seems to be Plan B for the moment given that Plan A, Project Ukraine, is presently going belly up. This puts more resources under Western control – energy offshore of Gaza, in the Golan and elsewhere on newly annexed territory in places like Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Egypt -funnelling profits from excess Western Capital back to the Mother Ship.
A further very obvious problem is that the British Establishment have forced a position of shifting the protest narrative away from the actual primary issue of the deliberate extinction of an entire ethnic group of humans towards the totally different issue of the right to protest.
Thus, all the emails I am receiving from organisations about the Palestinians right now is not actually about the Palestinians, but about defending the right to protest.
Having considered the problems inherent in current opposition strategies to change this situation around: where protest is subtly switched from the primary issue to defending the right to protest; pressure on the Israeli economy through BDS, boycotts, sanctions, trade blockages etc are negated by the financiers propping up their proxy; and the ticking clock on the extinction of entire people which won’t wait for the democratic ducks to be lined up in the West, the issue of how to change this situation around hangs heavy.
Because if it is not changed around, the present trajectory and the velocity of that trajectory suggests that whatever is presently being done to oppose this will not be enough to prevent it. No matter how many people are doing it.
The majority in Israel at all levels from Minister’s right down to women and indoctrinated children are openly bragging about the “unprecedented destruction” with the aim of “defeating Hamas” – which is clear code for defeating any opposition to Zionism, anywhere by anyone regardless of ethnicity – with the words “Andn the world is not stopping us.”
Failure on the part of the world to stop this will only lead to further expansion of this project to take in other peoples to be conquered, subjugated and subjected to the same process.
Given the facts, the only practical way to achieve the objective and to prevent any further death’s and suffering inflicted by these masochistic fanatical zealots seems to be by force of arms. Which is the only language that mindset understands.
The rest of the Arab world are not stepping up to that plate, and the level of trade in key commodities between many of the leading BRICS bloc with Israel suggest that no help will come from that direction. Which leaves Yemen and Iran, unless by some twist the Western economies completely collapse before the Palestinian population does.
If there exists another option other than by military force to stop this forced extinction of an entire ethnic people, it has to be put into effect sooner rather than later, otherwise it will be too late. Too late, not only for the Palestinians as a people but those next in line.