Improved financial support or wages are not on the menu, but Nazi motherhood medal – hell yeah
According to US news sources, the Trump White House is considering ideas for how to encourage women – apparently meaning white women, naturally – to have more children.
One proposal, described as put forward by ”pro-natal” activists Simone and Malcolm Collins, is reportedly for Trump to issue yet another executive order – this time to create a ‘National Medal of Motherhood’ to women who have six or more children.
The proposal is strikingly similar to the ‘Honour Cross of the German Mother’ awarded by Hitler to dutifully productive ‘Aryan’ women to encourage them to increase the size of the ‘Volksgemeinschaft‘ (popular or national community) – bronze for four children, silver for six and gold for eight:
While reviving a Nazi fertility medal was apparently not too abhorrent to table, ideas such as paid parental leave, healthcare, childcare and an improved minimum wage were considered beyond the pale and were not discussed.
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With each passing day Trump’s USA descends to be more and more like Putin’s Russia
In what way, Billy?
Can you provide some evidence based examples, or are you once again going to go post-modernist on us?
In the exact same way you support putin, Iran and hamas, and that everyone else voted tory..
Dave – In this way.
“Lilia Syropyatova stands with her husband and their nine children alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin, who awarded them with the Russian honour of ‘Parental Glory.’ “
https://i.cbc.ca/1.7327822.1726836467!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/lilia-syropyatova.jpeg?im=Resize%3D1180
SteveH, it’s just a picture – admittedly, a very staged ‘motherland-loving’ pic, but just a picture. Wouldn’t you expect formerly-‘great’ powers with charlatan leaders to resort to nationalist skulduggery when capitalism’s contradictions and ever-increasing crises cause “all that is solid” to whimper, fart, take a snooze and ‘melt into air’?
Didn’t you read your Marx?
qwerty – Does that gobbledegook translate into you claiming its all a conspiracy? 😏
Billy – All I am seeing with this link you have given is a photograph. No title. No sub-heading. No link to anything which substantiates what you claim it to represent, its context or even whether it can realistically be compared to whatever it is Trump has claimed to have done in this Skwawkbox article.* No explanation as to what it means.
Zilch, Nada. A zero calorie nothingburger in evidential terms.
For all anybody knows, it could represent anything from
Do you actually know what the criteria are for evaluating and presenting substantive evidence? Have you got the foggiest idea of even the basics of the scientific method?
No wonder you struggle to answer simple, straightforward questions.
* For example: Does the alleged planned Trump Executive Order reported in this Skwawkbox article reward recipients “for leading a healthy family life, being socially responsible, providing an adequate level of health care, education, physical, spiritual and moral development of the children, full and harmonious development of their personality, and setting an example to strengthen the institution of the family and child rearing?” (as the Russian Parental Glory Award does)
Is it open to all US citizens regardless of ethnicity – the US Census appears to recognise between five and eight ethnic groups, whereas the Russian Federation is recorded as having somewhere in the region of 190 different ethnic groups within its borders – or is it, as reported, open to the majority white WASP population only?
Because if it is only open to those designated as the majority White population among the US citizenry (as reported here on Skwawkbox) it is very doubtful, looking at that photograph, that the family portrayed would make the cut in the USA.
In which case, the comparison you claim falls flat on its arse. Just like you have done with your evidence free nothingburger.
Dave – Oh whoopee, yet another essay. , ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you are contesting the accuracy of my comment then please feel free to prove it.
to SteveH a conspiracy?
What is it with you centrists and accusations of antisemitism and conspiracy?
But no, it’s predicable things happening when predictably bad politicians are at their wits ends.
AND – in case you mean ‘captalism’, no, that’s not “a conspiracy” either, it’s just a self-harming exploitative economic system that impoverishes its workers and customers, the planet and itself whilst creating a super-rich/super-powerful “elite”.
qwerty – So if you’re not claiming it’s a conspiracy, what are you claiming and WTF has Marx got to do with it?
SteveH @ 8.45 -are your reading skills so bad, your ability to recognise a reference to Karl Marx’s critique of capital and communist manifesto is non-existant. You’ve been taking too many boosters or is it age-related stupidity?
qwerty – Sorry but I still haven’t got a clue what you are prattling on about, do you?
Billy, I have made no claim one way or the other.
I am simply advising you that you have not proven your claim. Come back when you have provided substantive evidence to prove your statement beyond a photograph which tells us nothing.. Otherwise, don’t waste everybody’s time here with this juvenile evidence free nonsense. You made the statement, the onus is therefore on you to prove your claim as per accepted due process and the scientific method.
Additionally, we take it that, once again, you have no answer to the question as to whether or not what Trump is proposing is in any way comparable to the Russian award in regard to the facts I have provided for you.
If you cannot manage such a simple task, just say so explicitly rather than insulting everyone’s intelligence by going around the houses with this kindergarten level approach.
Dave – Who are you trying to defend here Putin, Trump or both?
If you want to find out the further details that you refer to then stop wasting everyone’s time and do your own research.
Here’s a starting point for your research
Take your pick
Dave – The image search link that I posted above isn’t working for some reason so here’s another link for you to try.
https://rg.ru/2019/05/30/putin-v-kremle-vruchil-ordena-roditelskaia-slava.html
You’ll find loads more if you do a Google Image Search, have fun 🌞
“…..I still haven’t got a clue”
We all noticed.
A long time ago.
Billy, I am defending the facts and the accepted process of providing evidence to substantiate claims – which you have singularly failed to achieve. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I have no obligation to do any research other than that already provided as a courtesy in what you dismissed as [checks notes] “an essay”.to prove or disprove an evidence free claim made by another party – i.e. yourself, Billy.
Particularly in regard to a link you have provided which leads to a Google page which informs us that “No matches for your search”.
The ball remains in your court. And will do so until you have demonstrated your claim with substantive evidence – because that is how the grown up process works (and it has done for generations) along with providing an answer to the supplementary question asked in the post I made at 06:57 p.m. of 25/04/2025.
The quicker you get on with dealing with this simple obligation on your part the quicker we can make serious grown up progress.
Dave – Oh FFS get over yourself. If you want to know any further details then you are going to have to do the work. Be sure to let us know how you get on.
Billy – I did not make the claim, you did.
It is recognised practice for those making a claim to substantiate it, not others to disprove a claim with no accompanying evidence.
The fact that you cannot substantiate your claim – which is, incidentally, that the two cases (USA/RF) are comparable – tells everybody everything they need to know about the total absence of veracity appertaining to your original worthless evidence free claim of 2:58 p.m. on 25/04/2025.
As it happens, I have already disproved your claim in that post in my submission of 6:57 p.m. on 25/04/2025.
And rather than take your approach of never, ever supplying evidence for any claim, I will once again, for the second time, set out hat proof for you in Janet and John style below:
The RF award covers:
1. All RF citizens, which consists of some 190 different ethnic groups.
Whereas Trump’s reported planned award is limited to the white Anglo-Saxon ethnic group only.
2. That the RF award is not limited to how many children are produced, but also covers other relevant criteria about how they are brought up as members of a healthy society.
i.e. “for leading a healthy family life, being socially responsible, providing an adequate level of health care, education, physical, spiritual and moral development of the children, full and harmonious development of their personality, and setting an example to strengthen the institution of the family and child rearing?”
Whereas on the basis of the information available the planned Trump award is predicated only on the numbers of children produced – like it was some award for industrial production resulting from the (now failed) tariff plan – and has no comparable criteria to that of the RF award. Evidence of which I have provided for you in the previous paragraph.
The record of the USA throughout many different administrations clearly indicates that how the children are raised is not and will not be a consideration.
Given that you have tacitly already accepted this evidence that I have provided without any substantive challenge, your repeated shrill demands that I provide something I have already provided is further evidence of your complete lack of gorm on the accepted rules of evidence and the scientific method.
My original post of 3:55 p.m. on 25/04/2025 speculated that, on the basis of your past consistent performances, you would likely go post-modernist on us.
A prediction which you have once again fulfilled.
Keep digging, sucker.
As long as they don’t give birth to Trumpettes!
Simone and Malcolm Collins are ‘pro-natalist’ former venture capitalist buddies of Sir Keir Starmer’s close friend, Palantir-boss, Peter Thiel = ‘conservative libertarians’ one and all.
(‘Leader of Labour’ my arse!) !!
I see the gobshite’s getting his arse handed back to him once again.
But, like everything else, we’re the ones lacking in self-awareness.
Credit where it is due, Toffee.
Billy is doing all the work. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.