Keir Starmer gambling with UK’s safety as Russia updates nuclear doctrine
Ukraine has reportedly fired UK-supplied ‘Storm Shadow’ missiles into Russia for the first time, just days after Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he wanted to end the country’s war with Russia via diplomacy.
UK PM Keir Starmer ‘hinted‘ yesterday at the G20 summit in Rio de Janeiro that he might give Ukraine to use the long-range missiles on Russia, but has clearly done so, despite UK government officials saying they viewed Zelenskyy’s decision to use them as an ‘escalation of the conflict’. US president Joe Biden – or his handlers, given his cognitive incapacity – has given similar permission for the use of US equivalents, as well as ordering a huge delivery of US landmines to Ukraine, despite the danger to civilians and the assessment of independent military analysts that it cannot win against Russia, in what appears to be a scorched-earth determination to leave as much carnage behind as possible when he leaves office in January regardless of the danger.
Russia has reportedly updated its nuclear doctrine to mark European capitals as targets if the Ukraine war escalates:
Starmer’s approval brings the UK directly into war with Russia and is insanely reckless of the safety of this country and its people.
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This madman MUST be forced to resign. I think over the past couple of years, the impression was very definitely given that Starmer was promised the role of Prime Minister by someone, and I suspect some of those people could have been serving in the security and intelligence services at top level. I think they probably cleared him as not being a risk to national security, but now it looks as though, if they had something to do with appointing him as Prime Minister, their choice has backfired very alarmingly, and they have chosen someone who has become the biggest risk in British history to national security. Starmer must be forced out, he has been allowed to become a loose cannon and this is where allowing him to do this must stop now.
………..and when the fascist Putin expands his imperialist ambitions to other Eastern European countries, what then?
NATO promised Putin they would not advanc.number of tanks on Russia’s border, you would see that Putin was more or less forced to invade Ukraine to defend Russia. If you watch independent media reporting you will notice we are seeing a lot more of Putin, and believe me, he is not the enemy, our own government, together with the US government and security and intelligence services of both countries together with Netanyahu are the real threats to the security of the world, never mind just the people in their own countries. However, it is true that George Galloway said that if Starmer became Prime Minister he would have us at war within 6 months, Starmer now has us at war within 5 months. So now it is time for the people to really start to take direct action against this out of control sociopath, Starmer and bring him, and his entire government down, we need to bring down the whole system which put Starmer where he is now. Oh ,and many American experts, who know what they are talking about, having decades of experience in the subject of what is happening in Gaza and Ukraine, such as Professor Jeffrey Sachs, who works at the UN, has been saying for a number of weeks, perhaps a couple of months that we are getting dangerously close to nuclear war and a direct confrontation between the US and Russia, and he is very firmly blaming both the US and the UK for that, as the result of both governments and security and intelligence services being fully controlled by Netanyahu. This also brings in the possibility that Starmer will attempt to forcibly recruit young and older men to go and serve in Ukraine, and possibly Gaza. These men MUST under all circumstances REFUSE Starmer’s instructions, because Starmer can never spill enough of everyone else’s blood, that is the nature of the monster who has been put into number 10. Starmer needs to see the inside of a padded jail cell.
Nicola – Oh dear 😞
Oh dear you need to go and do a very great deal of research, because you are denying a very important fact which is that it is the UK and the US who are responsible for Putin invading Ukraine, as the result of having any number of US and UK bases in that region, as well as god knows how many tanks there are on Russia’s borders, they are everywhere. Putin is a human being, and he wants to de-nazify the region and the world, he wants to get rid of the Nazis, something the world has never done. As I said previously, it is NATO who are responsible for this situation because the US is desperate to go to war with Russia, which will involve nuclear weapons, which means WW3, and we all know what the results of that will be – we will all be dead, end of.
Nicola – ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Your gullibility is your problem, not mine.
Oh dear, you are in a very oppositional mood this evening. Opposition for the sake of opposition You have not proven or made your point, all you have done is insult me, which proves that the evidence is not on your side. Goodbye.
Absolutely barm-pot level delusion and inversion of reality, Billy.
WTF has Europe got that anyone outside Europe needs or wants?
If the RF wanted to invade a Europe de-industrialised to the extent that it has not got the manufacturing capacity or capability (logistically and beyond) – never mind the strategic cognitive ability – to say boo to a goose, they could take us out anytime they wanted. For starters, the Collective West – never mind Europe – does not have any air defence system against manoeuvrable hypersonic missiles. Not to mention the inventory to resist.
It is certainly a strange way of showing you want to invade – as the factual evidence based record shows – by sticking by the Minsk agreements in the face of German, French, British and US bad faith and refusing for years to come to the aid of the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine under murderous attacks from people who cover their bodies with Nazi and fascist tattoos when they ask for it.
International law and the Kosovo precedent favours the eventual Russian response under the R2P doctrine to the lawful requests of neighbours under attack for ten years for the crime of speaking the wrong language. Never mind the decades of broken promises which would have ended with nuclear missiles stationed five minutes flying time from Moscow in the context of an open declaration by the West that they intended to break up a sovereign Russia into a Balkanised set of ethnic mini statelets to get at the trillions of dollars worth of resources to keep the Western Oligarch Ponzi scheme going for a bit longer.
As usual, you have deliberately got the matter arse about face, Billy. You have not countered a single fact based argument anyone has put on this matter over several years. Which tells us you have no evidence to substantiate your infantile rantings.
I see the paid shill is still monitoring the site and the comments for his fascist paymasters! Oh, right, but it’s just purely coincidental that he happened to post a response to Nicola’s initial post within twenty-one minutes. I really don’t know why he bothers because EVERYONE who follows Skwawkbox knows he’s a fucking shill, or, more to the point, why his paymasters bother to pay someone who they must know has absolutely no influence on anyone who follows Skwawkbox precicely because we all know he’s a paid fucking shill.
So when are you due to retire? It’s been over eight years now, hasn’t it, and literally tens of thousands of posts on here.
NB He’ll be sleeping now, but you can be sure the first thing he does when he wakes up is come on Skwawkbox and check the comments and, as such, respond to my post! To my mind, he’s a Nazi piece of shit!
PS As we all know, the Neo-Nazi regime that runs and controls most of the West deliberately provoked Putin/Russia into responding to their threat to bring Ukraine into Nato. Needless to say, we all know what would happen if Mexico, for example, agreed to have Russian bases and nuclear weapons based there. Or Cuba!
George Galloway said with Stammer as PM we’d soon be at war, I’m worrying he’s going to be proven right.
Sorry, the first line of my most recent comment should read that “NATO promised Putin that they would not advance beyond the East German border, a promise which they broke a long time ago. If you saw a map of Russia’s border, you will notice a very threatening number of tanks on the Russian border. I am not sure of the number of tanks there, but it is a huge number, so it was NATO, backed by the US and the UK, who had forced Putin into invading Ukraine, simply in order to defend Russia from being attacked by NATO, mostly by US and UK.” Since becoming Prime Minister, Starmer has been going around the world looking for other countries to help him start WW3, and, thankfully the entire world, apart from the US is telling Starmer to get lost. He was also very firmly shown the door by the Chinese, who will be very well aware of how Starmer is treating his own population at home, and I am sure they would have told him exactly where he can take his crazy ideas. Britain is now as globally isolated as the US, due to our colonialist past and also due to our never ending support for Ukraine and Israel, making us guilty of being participants in genocide, in Ukraine, Gaza and here at home as the result of Labour’s policies of state sanctioned murder via their despicable and evil assisted dying bill. I know what will happen here, people, particularly in England, I believe, will think assisted dying is a good thing to ease a person’s suffering. However, what do you think someone like Starmer would do with the person who has assisted someone to die. He will, of course, twist the facts like he does with every single thing he speaks about, and accuse these people of murder, because Starmer really wants us all either in jail or dead. A lot more people in Britain should have come out and protested against what Starmer was doing to Julian Assange, because, make no mistake about it, Starmer wanted Assange to die in jail, or to be extradited to the US. Thankfully, Assange did not give Starmer what he wanted and is now as healthy as can be expected after the ordeal he was put through for committing “journalism” and telling the truth about American war crimes. In Starmer’s mind that will be considered a very significant defeat which he will not forget ever, and it will make him even more dangerous now. So, people better start preparing for the very worst scenario playing out, just in case nuclear war does happen, but it is more likely that it will be the US and/or the UK who will start it, it will not be the Russians, who just want to be left alone to get on with their lives, like the rest of us do.
Nicola – Oh dearie, dearie me 🥱
What are you oh dearie me-ing at, prick?
Your dear leader- that reknowned international statesman, keef, has bravelymade the decision to allow zelenskiiiy to fire British missiles into Russian territory.
You gonna try to plead with us that its an entirely independent decision, helmet?
Gonna regale us with tales of how keef’s showing the world who he is and what he’s about, are ya, ya geet big torpid, insipid quilt that y’are.
Go on – you know you want to…😴😴😴
Toffee – It is my understanding that Keir would have given Zelenskiy permission to do this months ago but he couldn’t give the Ukrainians permission to extend their use of their Storm Shadow missiles without the USA’s permission because of the US technology that it contains.
Oh really? Well now, in that case I consider meself thoroughly regaled 😴😴😴
Toffee – ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh whoopee 🥱
I could go along with your views if Putin had been a bit more reticent to NOT invade other countries, such as Georgia or Chechnya, and not kill or attempt to kill his opponents on the streets of London and Salisbury, or attempt to influence the elections in the UK, USA, France and elsewhere, and not murder his opponents in Russia. He is not the rational bloke you appear to believe. He is an obnoxious, old-style dictator, who would make the world a better place if he stopped breathing.
Salisbury?
Seriously?
When I did my NBC training in the forces – and my two weeks as a test subject at Porton Down – our instructors consistently informed us that the standard nerve agents at that time would be fatal within 7 (seven) seconds – either through inhalation or on contact with exposed skin. The drill was that in any live situation involving Sarin or any other of the similar nerve agents of the time, everyone carried an injection kit (autojet) of Atropine. If your buddy got exposed, you used their kit to inject them (and vice versa).
From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropine
“Atropine is not an actual antidote for organophosphate poisoning. However, by blocking the action of acetylcholine at muscarinic receptors, atropine also serves as a treatment for poisoning by organophosphate insecticides and nerve agents, such as tabun (GA), sarin (GB), soman (GD), and VX. Troops who are likely to be attacked with chemical weapons often carry autoinjectors with atropine and an oxime, for rapid injection into the muscles of the thigh. In a developed case of nerve-gas poisoning, maximum atropinization is desirable. Atropine is often used in conjunction with the oxime pralidoxime chloride.”
Fast-forward a few decades and we are told the following by The Official Narrative (TON):
1. That, a more modern nerve agent many times more lethal than one which 70’s UK military training instructed UK military personnel would be fatal in seven (7) seconds after exposure was released onto the crowded streets of a medium-sized town centre and there were no mass deaths.
Fortunately, we know this narrative to be complete bollocks. We know it to be complete bollocks because we were told so publicly in a letter published in the Times by non other than the Consultant in Emergency Medicine,at Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust:
“Sir, Further to your report (“Poison Exposure Leaves Almost 40 Needing Treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve-agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.
STEPHEN DAVIES, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust”
Indeed, the Times itself on March 16th of that year published the following (which contradicts The Official Narrative):
“Dozens of patients who went to hospital after the Salisbury poisoning were unaffected by the nerve agent, a doctor has revealed.
As Theresa May visited the Wiltshire city and declared it “open for business”, Stephen Davies, a consultant in emergency medicine at the Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust, said that no one other than Sergei and Yulia Skripal and Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey had needed treatment.”
It contradicts The Official Narrative that a nerve agent many times more lethal than Sarin and Tabun etc was released into a crowded public place. Simply because if such an agent had been released, the reality would have been mass casualties and certainly many deaths.
Which did not occur.
2. The evidence from physical science – as opposed to political science and spin doctoring – tells us that any pure substance deteriorates over time in terms of its purity level on contact with and exposure to the environment. Nerve agents are no different.
Yet The Official Narrative at the time has it that many days after the alleged release of this more lethal nerve agent, which failed miserably to cause mass casualties, the International Inspectors brought to the (by now cordoned off) site of the alleged released nerve agent found some – in pure form more than a week after sitting there exposed to rain, sleet, snow etc failing miserably this time to follow the laws of physics.
Pull the other one. It hath got bells on. And this is just scratching the surface of the plethora of holes in The Official Narrative on Salisbury alone.
What we seem to have here is a case of Stockholm Syndrome crossed with the Gell-Mann effect. The record is awash with copius proven examples of Official Narrative lies: The Zioniev Letter; Gulf of Tonkin, USS Liberty (lie of omission), Babies ripped out of incubators in Kuwait, Non existent WMD’s, no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, The Ghost of Kiev, Trickle down Economics, No tax rises on working people from a Starmer Government. The available list would probably fit several times around the equator.
The most appropriate response to proven liars is to never,ever, believe a single word they utter.
Dave – “The most appropriate response to proven liars is to never,ever, believe a single word they utter.”
………and yet here you are again proselytising the propaganda of Putin a corrupt fascist wannabe imperialist. 🥱
On what evidence other than the say so of proven liars – of which you are one, Billy – do you have for this bollocks?
Come on, show us what you’ve got beyond the usual tumbleweed.
Quite winteringham – I will expand on the apparent “necessity” to
invade Ukraine because of the number of NATO bases in the environs.
In that case why did Putin invade one of the Countries which did NOT belong
to NATO and which was not going to belong to it because of opposition
from the UK and Germany and other NATO members?
He must have known that after this invasion there would be a
stampede to join NATO from Countries (apart from Ukraine) to join it and this
has happened – the only rational response from these countries.
The invasion of Ukraine involves the denial of the Ethnicity of Tatars and a
Vanity project from Putin to protect (as he sees it) his leadership legacy in the
future.
“Tatars are a Turkic ethnic group of people who speak Turkic languages” with
Crimean Tatars considered to be the indigenous people of Crimea and Ukraine.
What Russia is doing is “Ethnic Cleansing” – the kidnap of Ukrainian children being
an example of this.
Mind you – all this would not have happened if Jeremy Corbyn’s warnings had
been attended to – and is largely the fault of the West . This includes
those who were happy to welcome Putin corrupt oligarch mates to the UK
where Corbyn indicated his concern via many questions in the House of
Parliament.
Not only that but nothing happened to Russia after the Salisbury poisonings – in spite
of Russia signing up to the “Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons”.
The OPCW were required only to check the identity of the poison and there was a failure
to check whether Russia was responsible. There was enough evidence to do this via their
Government Labs – which is what happened in the case of China and COVID.
Again – Corbyn’s question as to whether Russian Labs had been sent tissue
examples from Novichok victims was greeted by an ignorant response from
his critics. This is exactly what would have happened in the event
of such an investigation and shows the pitiful state of knowledge
of Science and the Law of said critics and the OPCW Charter Appendix
dealing with “verification”.
It kills me to say this – but Thatcher was much better at recognising a decent
Leader of Russia (ie Gorbachev) that Blair who fawned over Putin during the
early 2000’s.
PS My criticism of Putin does not absolve the West from their own crimes – an
example being the Invasion of Iraq. This is not a Zero Sum Game.
£3bn a year for Ukraine.
And now, the daylight nosferatu defence secretary announces £500m of cuts to our own defence.
Un-fucking-believable.
To The Toffee – thank you for your comment and as a fellow Scottish person, I am delighted to see you spikin in Scottish, great stuff.
That’s kind of you, Nicola.
…But I’m a sassenach.
That aside, I find Scots slang (especially the put-downs) matched only by (my native) scouse version(s) 👍
The Toffee – Thank you for your response to my comment, and great to see you speaking Scottish, from a fellow Scottish person myself.
There’s few giveaway idioms in them there statements…I’m certain I know who it is.
That’s a reply to Dave Hansell BTW…dunno why it’s up here
OK. Its WTF Quiz time.
Who has said the following:
“We have never been closer to world War three than we are today……A global conflict between nuclear armed powers would mean death and destruction on a scale unmatched in human history. It would be nuclear Armageddon. Nothing is more important that avoiding that nightmare…..We need new leadership.
Every day this proxy battle in Ukraine continues we risk global war. We must be absolutely clear that [the] objective is to immediately have a total cessation of hostilities. All shooting has to stop. This is the central issue, we need peace without delay. In addition there must be a complete commitment to dismantling the entire Globalist Neo-con Establishment that is perpetually dragging us into endless wars pretending to fight for freedom and democracy abroad while they turn us into a third world country and a third world dictatorship.
….the [US] State Department, the Defence bureaucracy, the Intelligence Services and all the rest need to be completely overhauled and reconstituted to fire the deep staters….
….Finally, we have to finish the process…..of fundamentally reevaluating NATO’s purpose and NATO’s mission. [The] Foreign policy establishment keep trying to pull the world into conflict with a nuclear armed Russia based on the lie that Russia represents [the West’s and the US’s] greatest threat.
But the greatest threat to Western civilisation today is not Russia it is probably, more than anything else, ourselves and some of the horrible USA hating people that represent us……..These globalists want to squander all of [our] strength, blood and treasure chasing phantoms and monster’s overseas whilst keeping us distracted from the havoc they are creating right here at home.
These forces are doing more damage to [the West and the US] than Russia and China could ever have dreamed. Evicting the sick and corrupt establishment is the monumental task for the next president. ”
A: George Galloway?
B. Jeremy Corbyn?
C. Bernie Sanders?
D. Jill Stein?
E. Caitlin Johnson?
F. Larry Johnson?
G. Donald Trump?
H. Jeffrey Sachs?
I. Victoria Nuland?
J. Judge Nepolitano?
K Lindsey Graham?
L. SteveH?
M. World Socialist Web Site?
N. Morning Star?
O. The Guardian?
P. Owen Jones?
Q. Tucker Carlson?
R. Kamala Harris?
S. Nancy Pelosi?
T. Tony Blair?
U. George W Bush?
V. Joe Biden?
W. Alliance for Workers Liberty?
X. Elon Musk?
Y. George Soros?
Z. Colonel Larry Wilkerson?
Go for it. You’ve got till 21:00 hours GMT tomorrow (Thursday 21/11/24)
Sachs or Napolitano?
And why 21:00 Thurs?
Well that’s two down. Twenty-four options left.
“And why 21:00 Thurs?”
I had intended to give twenty-four hours. However, I have to be up at a really ungodly hour Friday morning and will need at least a few hours kip after posting the video with the surprising answer if I’m going to get through the day..
Tucker Carlson?
Twenty-three options left on the table.
The surprising answer can be found here……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go–8rh8Kx0&ab_channel=JudgeNapolitano-JudgingFreedom
……in this interview with Gilbert Doctorow on the Judge Napolitano channel in a roughly two minute clip commencing at 9 minutes 15 seconds.
I’ll wager not many people, if any, picked option G?
That was my other shot but forgot to revisit this thread. Damn!
Sounds like something George Galloway would say. I support the idea of a REAL citizens arrest being done, and it is up to we, the people to make it legally enforceable and binding, by declaring ourselves that it is enforceable and legally binding, because, sure as death and taxes, for most of us, the Police are never going to do it.
Herr Flick
The Fuhrer has put British lives on the line, how much longer will he last as an Israeli/Yank arse wipe
The book is open
A lot less longer hopefully now he’s distracted waiting for the knock on the door from the ICC!
“The Fuhrer has put British lives on the line,”
Hasn’t he just:
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2024/11/22/11-minutes-to-berlin-14-minutes-to-brussels-19-minutes-to-london-russias-new-hypersonic-medium-range-ballistic-missile-shows-what-it-can-do/
Oreshnik. Bless you!
Meanwhile, from The Economic Times of India, 19/11/24:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/if-war-comes-are-you-ready-how-sweden-is-preparing-its-people-for-the-threat-of-war/articleshow/115442599.cms?from=mdr
“Sweden and Finland have issued updated guidance to prepare their citizens for potential crises, including war, extreme weather, and power outages. Both nations, recent NATO members, are prioritizing public readiness as part of a broader effort to bolster regional security.
Sweden Distributes Crisis Booklet to Millions
The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has begun distributing the latest edition of its crisis preparedness booklet, “If Crisis or War Comes,” to over five million households. The 32-page booklet, first introduced during World War II, has been updated to address contemporary threats such as cyberattacks, terrorism, and extreme weather events.”
A number of Countries have also closed their embassies in Kiev.
We seem to be getting close to the point in which it will be necessary from the point of view of basic survival to Open Traitors Gate and the Tower of London to receive multiple batches of the current political and media elite.
We could see enterprising British citizens banding together (safety in numbers) to perform a collective citizens’ arrest on Starmer/Lammy in the near future!
Incidentally, saw excellent photoshopped image the other day. Stick Lammy in a military General’s uniform and what do you get? Clue: Dada(not the art movement)…
Send him to The Tower and leave him there.
The Traitors Gate facility has not been used for a while.
And please make sure he is in very secure accommodation.