Pro-Palestinian Jews from sixteen countries around the world to gather in London to march and work together for an end to genocide, occupation and apartheid
After almost four years of meeting monthly on-line, leaders and long-time organisers representing twenty-one Jewish groups from sixteen countries supporting justice for the Palestinian people are meeting in person in London for the first ever congress of the International Jewish Collective for Justice in Palestine (IJCJP).
IJCJP’s mission statement explains the reason for its formation:
We are Jews from diverse countries, part of local, national, international networks and organizations. We are connected by our involvement in the struggle for Palestinian rights, and by our determination to work for justice. We oppose Zionism and all forms of racism.
We came together to share our experiences of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) Working Definition of Antisemitism. Although it claims to protect Jews, the IHRA Working Definition is in fact being used to shield Israel from valid political challenge, silence Palestinians, and suppress any mention of Palestinian rights.
The IHRA’s weaponization of antisemitism sets a dangerous precedent for limiting speech on many issues. We take this as our immediate priority, but it is only a starting point for our collective commitment to build a more just world.
Participants will also be joining the Jewish Bloc on the National Demonstration for Gaza march in London tomorrow, expressing their conviction that justice for the Palestinian people is a precondition for justice for us all.
While Israel claims to speak for the Jewish people, growing numbers of Jews around the world are declaring that settler-colonial Israel does not speak in their name. The organisations are partners in the global movement for Palestinian justice and activists are coming together to learn from one another and maximise the impact of their work. The groups stand in strong opposition to Israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza and are active participants in global organising demanding a cease-fire now and full justice and dignity for the Palestinian people.
IJCJP activists are social justice organisers, educators, writers, and others representing Jewish groups from nations around the world: New Zealand, Belgium, France, Israel, United States, Canada, South Africa, Australia, Luxembourg, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, UK, Germany, Catalonia and Netherlands.
Antony Lerman, author of Whatever Happened to Antisemitism: Redefinition and Myth of the ‘Collective Jew’, a former Director of the Institute for Jewish Policy Research, said:
Around the world progressive Jewish groups have taken strong stands against the ongoing genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, staging eye-catching public protests. The gathering of representatives of many of those groups in London from 8-9 June aimed at maximising impact through closer international cooperation is a natural and significant initiative spearheaded by the International Jewish Collective for Justice in Palestine (IJCJP). It constitutes a major challenge to Jewish establishment bodies giving carte blanche to Israel to continue flouting international law.
On Friday evening, participants will join a Shabbat protest at 6pm at the German Embassy, 23 Belgrave Square SW1X 8PZ, organised by the Black Jewish Alliance. On Saturday 8 June, the agenda is:
- Attendees will join the Jewish Bloc assembling at 12.15 pm (tbc) in Bloomsbury Square Gardens, WC1A 2NS (the Charles James Fox statue) to take part in the National Demonstration for Gaza.
- Wieland Hoban from Jewish Voice for a Just Peace in the Middle East (Germany) will represent the Bloc and the International Jewish Collective for Justice in Palestine as a platform speaker at the rally in Whitehall. Estimated time 2.30 pm (tbc)
Some of those attending the event have spoken about why they are here:
I made this trip to represent AJV because we see genocide being done in our names. We came to throw our weight on the side of life, peace and justice. We will not let our friends – our world – be harmed without making our voices heard. Jewish people are not endangered by protest; all people are endangered by silence in the face of genocide.
IJCJP has let us learn from worldwide experience, while we brought the wisdom of small communities. This conference is very bittersweet. We’ll finally meet in person, but every one of us is heartbroken. It will be quite a mix of emotion and purpose.
Marilyn Garson, Alternative Jewish Voices, Aotearoa (New Zealand)
As we witness the daily horrifying devastation of Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, we know that groups and communities across the globe are organizing and protesting–with tremendous power and deep conviction–in solidarity with Palestinians. As a US based organization, Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is proud to join Jewish groups from 16 countries across the globe this week in London to strengthen and deepen our work as a collective Jewish voice outraged by Israel’s actions and standing strong with Palestine. As partners in the movement for Palestinian justice, we say loud and clear, ‘Not in our Name’ and ‘Never again means never again for anyone.’
Stefanie Fox, Executive Director, Jewish Voice for Peace, United States
As the unprecedented horror in Palestine continues to unfold, the global solidarity movement has reached an equally unprecedented intensity. This activism is more important than it’s ever been, and that context makes it especially timely for a group that has existed in a digital diaspora for four years to finally meet in person. While the possibilities for online communication and coordination have enabled countless actions that would have been impossible not so long ago, gathering in one place is always a different experience that stimulates different forms of exchange and creativity, and these are more urgently needed than ever.
The situation for Palestine solidarity activists, Jewish and otherwise, is different in each country, and in Germany the movement is faced with particularly repressive methods by the state as well as hostility in the political, cultural and academic mainstream. This makes it especially important to have allies, and it also puts German-based groups like Jüdische Stimme in a position to give other activists information that may help them to deal with their own challenges.
Wieland Hoban, Jewish Voice for a Just Peace in the Middle East/Jüdische Stimme für gerechten Frieden in Nahost, Germany
This gathering is enormously significant. IJCJP represents the flourishing Jewish opposition to Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza. We are challenging the moral certainty of those legacy Jewish organizations whose policies and utterances represent unmistakable complicity with Israel’s actions. We call on our fellow Jews around the world to courageously break ranks, embrace Jewish traditions of social justice, and stand up for Palestinian human rights.
Sheryl Nestel, Independent Jewish Voices, Canada
It is crucial that we link with Jewish organisations across the world and stand up in opposition to the genocide being committed in Gaza, the brutal occupation in the West Bank and the decades long dispossession of Palestinians from their land and, indeed, their human rights. Throughout the world, Jewish people are warmly welcomed to the protests in support of Palestinians, not least in London. Being part of this international network means we can learn from each other, exploring the similarities as well as the differences we face in our very different circumstances. After more than four years of meeting via zoom, I am looking forward to meeting in person but when we originally planned this congress, we could not imagine that it would be while Israel seems bent on destroying Gaza – actions which Israel claims is to protect us as Jews; nothing could be further from the truth.
Leah Levane, Jewish Voice for Labour UK
The IJCJP member organisations are shown below, along with their web addresses:
Alternative Jewish Voices of Aotearoa NZ – Sh’ma Koleinu (Aotearoa/New Zealand)
Another Jewish Voice /Een Andere Joodse Stem (Belgium)
Boycott From Within/Israeli Citizens for BDS (Israel)
French Jewish Peace Union/Union Juive Francaise Pour La Paix (France)
Independent Jewish Voices (Canada)
Independent Australian Jewish Voices (Australia)
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN)–Canada
Jewish Call for Peace (Luxembourg)
Jewish Network for Palestine (UK)
Jewish Voice for a Just Peace in the Middle East/Jüdische Stimme für gerechten Frieden in Nahost(Germany)
Jews for Palestine–Ireland (Ireland)
Jewish Voice for Peace (USA)
Jews Against the Occupation ‘48 (Australia)
Jews Say No! (USA)
South African Jews for a Free Palestine (South Africa)
Tzedek Collective Sydney (Australia)
Erev Rav (Netherlands)
Associació Catalana de Jueus i Palestins – JUNTS (acjp.cat) Spain (Catalan)
Tsedek! Collectif Juif Decolonial (France)
Coletivo Vozes Judaicas por Libertação (@vozesjudaicasporlibertacao) • Instagram photos and videos (Brazil)
The congress will continue on Sunday.
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Israel has destroyed itself
They are now a Pariah state and a sitting duck
A 2 state solution will be imposed by the Rest of the World through the UN
Good news is they will be protected, bad news is the Cancer within
Pro-Palestinian Jews from sixteen countries around the world to gather in London to WORK together for an end to GENOCIDE, end to OCCUPATION and end to APARTHEID🔺🔺🔺
🎉👁️🗨️🍀🎉👁️🗨️🍀🎉👁️🗨️🍀
I feel indebted to the 21 organisations participating in the International Jewish Collective for Justice in Palestine. Shalom.
Their courage and decency and bravery humble and strengthen us all.
“The United Nations has added Israel to the global list of states and armed groups who have committed violations against children, according to the country’s UN envoy, Gilad Erdan.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/07/united-nations-israel-children-rights-violation
Thanks for the tip Billy.
I’ll get myself down to the bookies to put some money on the US attempting another performative virtue signalling Sanctions Bill shortly. This time on the UN and its elected officials.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm5512l7yero
Another shameful sanctions measure that will almost-certainly succeed, Dave. How awful the US House of Representatives has passed legislation that sanctions the International Criminal Court (ICC) fr applying arrest warrants against Israeli officials. US standing in the world shortens daily.
Thanks SteveH. When you provide guardian links I’d love it if you’d insert the word ‘dump’ before the ‘theguardian’ bit of the link. It then takes us to an archived copy of the guardian page and we don’t generate click-bait income for them or allow them to put their tracking cookies onto our devices. We’re lucky to have this ability – the Guardian is unique (I believe) in having this way-back machine trick.
Remember dump before the guardian. Thanks.
qwertboi – Don’t be silly, I’m quite happy to generate ‘click-bait income’ to help pay for their journalism.
qwertboi – Don’t be silly, I’m quite happy to generate ‘click-bait income’ to help pay for their propaganda.
There. Fixed it for you Billy.
Dave – Who’s propaganda is the article that I linked to?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/07/united-nations-israel-children-rights-violation
Billy,
Firstly, the subject matter of qwerboi’s post and therefore, by definition, your reply to that post by qwertboi was the Guardian Media Group per se not the specific article linked in your original post.
As analysed here…..
https://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2024/06/10/the-guardian-media-group-warmongers/
…..and in many other searchable articles on the same theme on that site, GMG is fundamentally no different to the rest of the corporate media in being merely a propaganda outlet for an Official Narrative.
The only difference between the GMG and the rest of the right wing media is that at least the rest of the right wing media, unlike GMG, can be relied on to be what it says on the tin.
Secondly, qwertboi made a not unreasonable request for assistance in protecting his computer system from unwelcome cookies and other unwanted spam which would inconvenience no one who responded positively which was thrown back in his face in the most obnoxious manner.
Your deliberately dismissive refusal both in content and tone to a request requiring minimal effort and consideration reveals you to be a character with less than zero consideration for anyone but yourself. This island is well rid (allegedly) of someone like yourself whose selfish disdain for anyone else has no boundaries.
Dave – Oh for goodness sake get over yourself.
“Your deliberately dismissive refusal both in content and tone to a request requiring minimal effort and consideration reveals you to be a character with less than zero consideration for anyone but yourself. “
If qwertboi or anyone else has a problem with this then he/she can, with the minimal of effort, modify the URL. The problem is theirs not mine.
🥱
You are missing the point Billy. And deliberately so.
Manners cost nothing. The sneering dismissive could not give a damn attitude you have displayed in this conversation tells everyone quite clearly that you do not subscribe to the basics of normal human interaction and reciprocal discourse.
Like those you shill for you blame everyone else for attitudes and behaviours which are your own. Little wonder you have so much time on your hands. No normal human being wants to spend any time in the company of such obnoxious sociopaths.
Dave – ……and beyond you making yet another desperate but vain attempt to pump up your ego the point of this discussion is? 😕🥱
qwertboi made a polite request, I turned down the request for the reasons I outlined and given that by his own admission the very simple remedy to qwertboi’s problem also lay in his own hands I’m struggling to see what the issue is that you are so desperately trying to manufacture on his behalf.
“I’m struggling to see”
All the time it seems.
And, whilst ever you ‘struggle’ to grasp the basics of social interaction…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SkoD2CIakQ
…..and continue to lash out at others to excuse, deflect and disguise your egotistical faux pas’s rather than taking responsibility for your ignorant and arrogant attitude that would make a corpse blush, you will continue to remain wallowing in that ignorance for all to see Billy.
Dave – I wonder if anyone out there will be impressed by your latest outburst, you can but hope. 😏
Well, we do know one thing for certain Billy.
No one is ever going to be impressed with your pathetic deflections and projections.
No matter how many times you think it will.
Dave – You’re delusional, why would I care one way or t’other what a gullible idiot like you thinks?
And yet here you still are responding Billy.
Typical coping behaviour for someone who, unsurprisingly, cannot even attract the support of tumbleweed from anywhere on this site – for anything.
Here’s an idea for you Billy. You could create another identity on this site to be your own friend and who would pretend to agree with everything you write. Or even several such sock puppets. You could all post under the pseudonym of ‘The Drivel Collective’.
Electronic Intifada posted the following vid on their youtube channel four days ago and is a good example of just how totally corrupt and disingenuous and deceitful the political elite are:
Journalist confronts German gov. over foreign minister’s claim she saw nonexistent 7 Oct. rape video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrFsfYnuR-o (5mins 34secs)
….and here is Norman Finkelstein exposing the lobby:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm5512l7yero
This is also well worth checking out (posted yesterday), and apart from anything else it’s a perfect example of how brain-washed many Israeli Jews are with the endless black propaganda lies and falsehoods churned out by the Israeli Zionist fascists:
Briahna Joy Gray FIRED After Criticising Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSA4aqXNSY (Novara Media 15mins)
Please check out the first ten minutes or so, and if you find it difficult to understand some of what the Israeli woman is saying, turn on the transcript (in the description underneath)
The bottom line with this report on the sacking of Joy Gray is that with the Palestine issue, as with so many others issues from Ukraine to Georgia and everything in between, relevant factors such as context only work one way in The Official Narrative (TON).
The Official Enemy – just like in Orwell’s 1984 novel – is caricatured and demonised in order to foreclose any critical scrutiny of The Official Narrative on the part of the simple minded, gullible, and easily led.
Who then go on to parrot such evidence free nonsense just like the sheep in Orwell’s Animal Farm rather than engage what ever cognitive abilities remain. A process which can be seen below the line on this site on a regular basis from one such useful idiot.
I realise that just about everyone on the left (and on the right) has known for many months now that the 40 beheaded babies story was an abhorrent falsehood – and I expect many people like myself knew the moment they heard it that it was atrocity propaganda and, as such, didn’t need actual proof that it was a big Nazi-type lie – and if THAT was a falsehood – which it was of course – then I think we can be fairly certain that most – and quite likely ALL – of the atrocity allegations against Hamas were falsehoods, concocted and contrived for the obvious reasons.
Anyway, if you happen to know anyone who still believes the malevolent falsehood about forty babies being beheaded, pass the following article onto them by an Israeli news outlet in March:
Israeli report: 38 children killed on October 7, thousands traumatized
The data reveals that on October 7, 38 children lost their lives, with three of them aged between 0 and 3 years old, and four between 3 and 6 years old
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1709472922-israeli-report-38-children-killed-on-october-7-thousands-traumatized
This information has been in the public domain for at least six months now, long before the ‘Israeli report’, and although I’ve never done a comprehensive search, I’m pretty damn certain that not a single MSM news outlet in the UK has ever covered this fact and, as such, blown the 40 beheaded babies story out of the poisonous water infested by the most evil people on the planet, including Sunak and Starmer and Biden et al, along with BN and his fascist buddies, all of whom are the modern-day equivalent of the Nazis.
Correction: I thought i24news was an Israeli news outlet, and it probably DOES broadcast in Israel, but all I know for certain – having just checked out the wikipedia entry – is that its headquarters are in Tel Aviv (and New York):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I24_News_(American_TV_channel)
Anyway, I haven’t actually checked, but I’d be very VERY surprised if Haaretz didn’t cover this Israeli report
Haaretz put this official list out very soon after October 7th:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-19/ty-article-magazine/israels-dead-the-names-of-those-killed-in-hamas-massacres-and-the-israel-hamas-war/0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000
The data – and the origin of that data – speaks for itself.
Just came across the following from November 14th:
’36 children murdered by Hamas in October 7 massacre….’
https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/by65800qmt
The article has pictures of all but two of the 36 kids killed (and those two have a picture of a burning candle instead), and all but two of them include their age.
I’m sure I read some time ago that there were two children under the age of one who were killed on October 7th, so I can only assume that they are the two missing from this article that make up the 38 in the ‘Israeli report’ I posted about earlier.
One thing we’ll never get to know though is how many of these kids were killed by the IDF, as I’m sure at least some of them were. The younger ones in particular, as I just don’t see Hamas having any reason to kill them, AND lose support for their cause from many sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza (and the West Bank), as with raping women and mutilating people.
It’s for that very reason I have never believed any such accusations.
Came across the following Haaretz article earlier from December when I did a search re >40 beheaded babies<, and the reason I'm posting a link to it is not for the article (which apart from the headline and sub-headline is behind a paywall), but for the comments – where truth and falsehood do battle – which are well worth checking out:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-04/ty-article-magazine/.premium/hamas-committed-documented-atrocities-but-a-few-false-stories-feed-the-deniers/0000018c-34f3-da74-afce-b5fbe24f0000
Needless to say, I disagree with the authors and the headline regards 'a few false stories'. The Israeli Zionist mafia churn them out on almost a daily basis!
What will Hamas do now?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/06/1150886
The UN Security Council on Monday (10/06) adopted a resolution aimed at reaching a comprehensive ceasefire deal in three phases to end the war in Gaza, with US Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield telling members “today, we voted for peace.”
The United States-drafted text calls for Hamas to accept a ceasefire proposal announced on 31 May by President Joe Biden that has already been accepted by Israel.
Adopted by a large majority with 14 votes in favour and Russia abstaining – choosing not to exercise its veto power – the resolution also urges both parties to fully implement the terms of the proposal “without delay and without condition.”
The motion envisages a three phase approach to ensure a lasting and comprehensive end to the fighting.
Phase one includes an “immediate, full, and complete ceasefire with the release of hostages including women, the elderly and the wounded, the return of the remains of some hostages who have been killed, and the exchange of Palestinian prisoners”.
It calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from “populated areas” of Gaza, the return of Palestinians to their homes and neighbourhoods throughout the enclave, including in the north, as well as the safe and effective distribution of humanitarian assistance at scale.
Phase two would see a permanent end to hostilities “in exchange for the release of all other hostages still in Gaza, and a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza”.
In phase three, “a major multi-year reconstruction plan for Gaza” would begin and the remains of any deceased hostages still in the Strip would be returned to Israel.
The Council also underlined the proposal’s provision that if negotiations take longer than six weeks for phase one, the ceasefire will continue as long as negotiations continue.
No territorial change
In the resolution, the Security Council rejects any attempt at demographic or territorial change in the Gaza Strip, including any actions that reduce the territory of the enclave.
The text also reiterates the Council’s “unwavering commitment” to the vision of the two-State solution where two democratic States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side in peace within secure and recognized borders consistent with international law and relevant UN resolutions.
“In this regard stresses the importance of unifying the Gaza Strip with the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority,” the resolution added.
What will Hamas do now?
The ‘choice’ is illusory SteveH. The Hamas you refer to is based on existential errors about what Hamas is, why it exists and how it works.
You might be confusing Hamas with ISIS – which, by the way, is as fake as ever.
qwertboi – I’m not the one who is self evidently confused, You obviously haven’t bothered to read the UN press release that I linked to above before commenting.
Does the UN press release mention that the prospects for a Gaza ceasefire hang in the balance because Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will not allow Israel to cease all fighting until Hamas is eradicated?
No, it doesn’t.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/prospects-gaza-ceasefire-hang-balance
qwertboi – I suggest that you read the whole of the UN press release that I have linked to above before you comment further.
Dave – I’m still waiting for an answer to my question
What will Hamas do now❓
Like everything else the devil is in the detail.
The key problem, as Alistair Crooke notes is that such Western Corporate elite “agreements” are based on a totally false premise – that it is possible to go back to the failed Oslo Accords approach for a two State solution.
As Crooke observes this is pure pie in the sky.
“A recent survey conducted by the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs shows that since 7 October, 79% of all Jewish respondents oppose the establishment of a Palestinian State on 1967 lines (68% were opposed prior to 7 Oct); 74% are opposed even in exchange for normalisation with Saudi Arabia….
…the western institutional leadership clings to the shrinking Israeli secular liberal Left, Israelis as whole (including the young) are moving hard Right. A recent Pew poll shows that 73% of the Israeli public support the military response in Gaza – albeit a third of Israelis complained it had not gone far enough. A plurality of Israelis think Israel should govern the Gaza Strip. And Netanyahu, in the aftermath of the ICC arrest threat, is overtaking Gantz (leader of the National Union) in approval ratings.
It seems that the ‘western consensus’ prefers not to notice these uncomfortable dynamics.”
The stark reality gets worse. Firstly because of the growing Biblical Zionist vision throughout Israeli society which openly seeks:
“full military matrix control over the land between the river and the sea, and the removal of populations that will not submit to the Smotrich dispensation of ‘acquiesce or leave’.”
Crooke hammers the point home:
“It seems so simple.
It is indeed ‘simple’ – but only through ignoring the reality that such a Palestinian state can only come into sovereign ‘being’ through force – through military force.
“The reality is that there are 750,000 settlers occupying the West Bank and East Jerusalem (and a further 25,000 settlers living in Syria’s Golan Heights).
Who will remove them? Israel won’t. They will fight to the last settler; many of whom are zealots. They were invited and placed there in the years since the 1973 war (largely by successive Labour governments), precisely to obstruct any possible Palestinian state coming into existence.
The question that those who say ‘the solution is simple’ – two states living side by side in peace – do not answer: Has the West the will or the political resolve to instantiate a Palestinian State by force of arms, against the current will of a plurality of Israelis?
The answer, inevitably, is ‘no’. The West does not have the ‘will’ – and the suspicion then arises that in their hearts they know this. (There is perhaps a yearning for a solution, and disquiet that absent ‘calm in Gaza’, tensions will spike in the diaspora, too).
The hard truth is that the Resistance has understood the reality of the situation better than their western counterparts: A putative Palestinian State has only receded in prospect since the 1993 Oslo process, rather than having advanced a jot. Why did the West not take corrective action over three decades, and only then recall the dilemma when it became a crisis?
The Resistance has better appreciated the inherent untenable contradiction of one people appropriating to themselves special rights and privileges over another, sharing the same land, and that such a scenario could not long persist, without breaking the region apart (witness the wars and devastation to which maintaining the existing paradigm already has led).”
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The bottom line reality Billy is that there will be no peace while ever one group of people seek to permanently remove everyone not one of them – Christians as well as Palestinians – from the land they have stolen rather than share. Often by removing as many as possible from life itself.
The only pertinent question is not what Hamas or the wider Palestinian Resistance will do Billy, it is what will the Americans and the Collective West do other than play lip service for another thirty years while the Zionist zealots which are the majority in today’s Israeli society satisfy their racist blood lust on those they consider inferior human beings to themselves?
And we have not even covered the sorry pathetic record of broken agreements from this non-agreement capable Western elite going back for well over a century or more.
Dave – A simple “I don’t know” would have sufficed. 🥱
Wonderful assessment and thoughts, Dave. I appreciate your contribution..
qwertboi – Why am I not surprised?
The pair of you so obviously deserve each other.
“I don’t know” sums you up to a T Billy.
Have you actually got any answers to the salient questions raised?:
– Whose going to remove the settlers? Because they ain’t going to go voluntarily to create a second State – which has been UN mandated policy they have ignored since the 1940’s. How is going to be different this time?
– Whose going to enforce any agreement against an Israeli population drunk on the Zionist Kool-aid who are daily hardening their position against any such agreement?
– How is going to be enforced?
Do you have any practical answers Billy?
Or are you going to continue to show yourself up in public with your ignorance?
Standing there effectively going “la,la,la I’m not listening’ to any reality which does not put the onus on the Official Enemy merely demonstrates that the one who does not know, because they don’t want to know, is yourself Billy.
The point you are desperate to avoid is that you ask the wrong question.
The right question is not what Hamas or the Palestinian Resistance is going to do it is “What is the Collective Western elite going to do about those identified realities?”
But you don’t want to deal with that more pertinent question.
Dave – “Do you have any practical answers”
I haven’t claimed to have all the answers. Have you forgotten that I’m the one who asked the question What will Hamas do now❓
So what you are saying Billy is you don’t have a clue what Hamas will do now and you want someone to spoon feed you the answers.*
Seeing as it has already been pointed out to you that the Palestinian Resistance – of which Hamas is a part – are fully aware that this latest Western proposal in regards a two state solution is a rehash of previous failed proposals on a similar line and that there is less than zero chance of it ever happening (for the reasons previously listed twice for you already) absent the Zionists and their fascist ideology being forced to surrender the answer is obvious.
At least to anyone with more than one brain cell to rub together.
It does not require being spelt out.
*Or is it the case that your question has some entirely different meaning and objective? Perhaps rhetorical?
In regards to the answer to what the Collective West elites will do that too is obvious from not only previous behaviour but also from the points made by Alistair Crooke.
– They will continue to double, triple and quadruple down on known failure because they cannot cope with;
– a) The reality of being wrong.
– b) The reality of no longer having hegemony over the World.
– They will, as usual, invent a mis-representative alternative reality narrative blaming and demonising everyone else who fails to agree with their fundamentally flawed and failed world view. Complete with the usual simplistic caricatures we have all become tired of hearing because its soooooo bloody predictable.**
**At least to anyone paying attention.
A narrative which is being increasingly rejected and scorned even among their own populations never mind the majority of the rest of the planet. Which will , however, be faithfully regurgitated by useful idiot wannabe troll shills such as yourself Billy.
Oh. and by the way, you’re welcome.
“Dave – I’m still waiting for an answer to my question”
And you can continue to pound sand Billy because your question is totally irrelevant. It is irrelevant for the context which has been spelled out for you Janet and John style which you are still too congenitally obtuse to comprehend.
The relevant question is what will the inept and incompetent Collective West elite do in response to the realities both they and yourself are burying your heads in the sand to desperately avoid facing up to?
You have no answers to the practical questions posed to you Billy. Otherwise you would not be so very obviously and desperately deflecting in the way you are.
Dave – “You have no answers to the practical questions posed to you”
Where have I claimed that I did, you’re self evidently the one that has been deluding yourself that you have all the answers.
All I’ve done is pose a question that has frustrated you because of your inability to provide an answer.
Never mind, with a bit of luck your fellow idiot supporters of the corrupt fascist Putin won’t keep you in suspense for too long before they update your crib sheet.
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/06/07/international-jewish-collective-for-justice-in-palestine-meets-in-london-this-weekend/#comment-255900
Again, you’re welcome, Billy.
Addendum:
Billy, are you simply mindlessly parroting The Official Narrative or do you actually have credible testable evidence based on solid accepted criteria for your simplistic analysis as to who and who is not a “corrupt fascist”?
Where’s the beef?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSCW0IC2Ss
What will the Western Oligarch Class do now?