And party boasts more businesses than members at annual gathering
Labour has allowed a ‘buy now pay later’ firm that charges an eye-watering 64.5% APR interest to sponsor its London regional party’s attendance at Labour’s annual conference in Liverpool, which started on Saturday. Money guru Martin Lewis expressed his ‘shock’ at the news – though it would have shocked few left-wingers who have seen how Starmer behaves and the money he accepts:
At the same time, Labour actually boasts in its conference literature that it has more businesses than party members attending the event, which appears to have become little more than a forum for sycophants and a showcase for potential business donors:
Starmer and co have abandoned all but the most transparent pretence of being anything else but in the pockets of corporations and billionaires – and can’t be bothered to disguise their contempt for the millions in the UK struggling under poverty, debt and exploitation.
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According to The Times (25Sept23) Labour’s final policy document, produced ahead of its conference in Liverpool next month, says that it will “bring forward long overdue consumer protection regulation in areas like buy now pay later”.
SteveH, Starmer if he hasn’t yet, will perform a U turn on this commitment too.
The Party has won a by-election in Scotland. Hence, Starmer would be bouyand believing that turning right will serve him well. I believe it was a protest vote against the SNP, let us see if at the next General Election, Labour retains the seat.
Mike Sivier on Vox Political gives an interesting take on the by-election voting analysis.
The percentage swings are all wrong, of course, because they are only ever taken as percentages of the turnout – and not of the electorate.
So let’s run the numbers. The electorate is currently taken to be 81,124 people. So in the 2019 general election, when Labour won 18,545 votes, that would have been around 22.9 per cent of the electorate.
On Thursday, Labour won 17,845 votes – around 22 per cent of the electorate.
So instead of a 20.4 per cent swing to Labour, the vote actually showed a 0.9 per cent swing away from that party; 700 fewer people supported Labour.
https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2023/10/07/the-big-lie-behind-the-labour-rutherglen-hamilton-west-by-election-swing/
You can try and manipulate the figures all you like but you can’t escape the fact that Labour won this by-election with a substantial overall majority and that all the polls are consistently predicting that Labour will also win the next general election with a substantial majority.
Have fun😘
Herr Flick
They got less votes than 2019
Doug – Given that it was a by-election that really shouldn’t come as a surprise. It is however notable that the 2 ‘socialist’ candidates both (as expected) lost their deposits and between them only managed to garner a combined total of 1.5% of the vote. Lost deposits have evidently become the norm for ‘the left’
You can try and manipulate the figures all you like
Who’s ‘manipulated the figures’, ollies? They tell their own story, and it doesn’t fit with keef’s “blew the doors off” triumphalist bollocks, no matter how much you want it to.
As I asked you in an earlier thread…blew the doors off what? A dolls house?
Unlucky.
Toffee – You are right, the results do speak for themselves- LABOUR WON
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Rutherglen_and_Hamilton_West_by-election#Results
Yes, wee gobshite – we’re all well aware of that snippet of onformstion, so no need for the bolding and capitals.
Except it just wasn’t the resounding triumph you want it to be though, was it? Less people voted labour than in 2019., despite your insistence that keef’s doing far better than Corbyn did….When the numbers suggest a completely different tale.
I really don’t know why you’re getting your knickers in a twist 😏
Toffee – Who are you trying so desperately hard to convince, yourself?😕
Whether you like it or not is irrelevant , the polls consistently tell a very different story.
https://cdn.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/26120502/Constituency_topline_summary_09_27.xlsx
Ans then he counters one of his own bingo card replies with…
…Yep! another bingo card reply.
And you thought keef duller than ditchwater. 😕
PS – That’s AFTER complaining about others ‘manipulating figures’ but then trying to manipulate them to fit his own piss-poor case.
And on it goes…
Toffee -v- The Polls
Come the next general election we’ll see who is proved right.
Poll predicts landslide Labour election victory with 12 cabinet ministers losing their seats
Michael Savage Policy Editor Sat 7 Oct 2023 12.04 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/07/poll-predicts-landslide-labour-election-victory-with-12-cabinet-ministers-losing-their-seats
Dramatic findings point to Conservatives losing every red wall seat that they secured at the last election
Labour is currently on course to win a landslide victory on the scale of 1997, according to dramatic new modelling that points to the Conservatives losing every red wall seat secured at the last election.
The Tories could also lose more than 20 constituencies in its southern blue wall strongholds and achieve a record-low number of seats, according to a constituency-by-constituency model seen by the Observer. Deputy prime minister Oliver Dowden, defence secretary Grant Shapps and leadership contender Penny Mordaunt are among those facing defeat. Some 12 cabinet ministers face being unseated unless Rishi Sunak can close Labour’s poll lead.
According to the model’s central projection, which takes into account the new boundaries that the next election will be fought on, Labour would win 420 seats – equating to a landslide 190-seat majority. The Tories would take just 149 seats and the Lib Dems 23. The results mirror the 1997 landslide, when Tony Blair’s party secured a majority of 179 with 418 seats.
Oh, and it’s evident that you’re still to learn the difference between OPINION** polls and ACTUAL** ballots.
At your age?!!
** placed in bold and caps for YOUR benefit, rather than any emphasis to gain the attention of anyone else. If you’re still unsure ask the poor sod who’s lumbered with looking after you what it means because I’m done explaining to someone who has all the awareness and intelligence of a fucking telegraph pole.
Toffee – For goodness sake get a grip of yourself.
In the REAL POLL – Labour won with 58.6% of the vote and both of the socialist candidates lost their deposits with only a miserable 0.9% and 0.6% the vote .
You were saying?
And in the REAL poll keef got 700 LESS votes than Corbyn.
Seats LOST, two lost deposits, majorities severely reduced, failure to take a seat where the bookies had them at putting the equivalent of the national debt on to win a penny, vote shares down on ’19 results…
But hey?? OPINION POLLS ROOL OK.
What a gobshite.
And your obsession with the socialist vote (i haven’t once mentioned them unsolicited) speaks volumes.
Rent free.
Loan Sharks 4 Labour!
Herr Flick
How does it differ from the Unfair Contract Terms Act provisions
Now try to be serious, will he end ‘No Fault’ evictions
Correct
Doug – “How does it differ from the Unfair Contract Terms Act provisions”
I have absolutely no idea. You obviously fancy that you do so why don’t you impress us all by telling us all about it.
“Now try to be serious, will he end ‘No Fault’ evictions”
YES – Here is what will be voted on by conference this week
“Support private renters
Fundamentally reform the private rented sector, overhauling its regulation to markedly drive up standards and conditions and provide tenants with long-term security and better rights. Introduce a renters’ charter that will abolish ‘no fault’ Section 21 evictions, introduce a legally binding Decent Homes Standard for the private rented sector, ban landlords from refusing to rent to those in receipt of benefits or with children, provide for longer notice periods, introduce a national landlord register and introduce a right to have pets
Seek to close loopholes that disreputable landlords might use to exploit tenants and jeopardise their security of tenure following the abolition of Section 21.”
You should read the whole document.
Kinell.
And you call others gullible
Toffee – Is that it, is that really the best you could manage?
Is THAT (up there) the best YOU could manage? 🤣
Come back and beat yer pigeon chest when keef’s dropped/changed that one beyond recognition as well, why dontcha?!
green paper…*chortles*
Toffee – How sad is that. 😞
As I said above– Is that it, is that really the best you can manage?
Herr Flick
Red Tories will never vote to end ‘No Fault Evictions’ its just another pledge
Does a script exist, that blocks me from having to clap eyes on your bullshit
diddibuggmail – Not as far as I know, but thanks for the critique. 😏
See, wee gobshite?
Even the newcomers to the site are onto you. So why carry on?
Who are you trying to convince, yourself??😏
diddibuggmail
Truth be told, we would be lost without the fucker
The brainless twat doesn’t realise we would end up knocking 7 bells out of each other, without him on here
That’s because we like to fight, dont care who we fight and really dont care if we win lose or draw
It’s an Irish / Scots thing, check your DNA
Just Googled Clearpay, Klarna & Zilch, each with 64.5%, can’t find any reference to 64.5% APR from any of them.
Brian – It is unfortunate that the above article lacks any meaningful detail.
You’re saying that your smarmerite party isn’t accepting filthy lucre from a firm that charges 64.5% APR??
They haven’t given said firm a platform to speak against regulation?
And that we should overlook/ignore/doubt the veracity of Martyn Lewis’ & other’s tweets because neither state exactly which BNPL scheme/firm it is?
*lacks meaningful detail* F complete and total FS.
Toffee – If you check above you will see that I said. ” It is unfortunate that the above article lacks any meaningful detail.”.
I wonder why all the reports quoted are bereft of any meaningful detail, never mind though I’m sure the details will emerge in time. 🤔
That was 25 September. Almost a fortnight ago. From a murdoch.
Given that it only took four days for that shower of shite to about-face, this time over ZHCs, (as just one example of the speed with which they’ll renege on their highly-fanfared bullshit) they most likely did bring forward their grandiose idea – then reneged on it, seconds/minutes/hours later when they realized there’s moolah in it for them to spunk on legal fees for their vendettas.
Toffee, Starmer’s current about face time is four days.
I wonder what the next reduction will be?
The Times were reporting on Labour’s very extensive policy platform document which after it has been put before conference this week and voted on will form the basis for Labour’s winning manifesto for the next general election.
Have you read it yet?🤔
Herr Flick
Does that mean it was written by Murdoch
Question is has your leader been given a copy yet
Doug – FFS grow up. You obviously haven’t read it yet, have you?
Really? 4 days. He’s like a dog with a bone, sometimes. 4 days.
Toffee……
Starmer’s not in a good mood. Listen to this : https://x.com/HalimaNyomi/status/1710949614457700579?s=20
Listen to what ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Baz, it’s been deleted.
I feel no need to resort to contortions to find a disparaging angle on the by-election result-it was a good result for Labour. They’ll have other good results and they have also had and will continue to have terrible results. Neither circumstance alters my opinion that they ceased to be relevant in the 21st century and persist as an impediment to electoral reform.
Dare say there will be a zionist rally parked in the conference.
Toffee – How sad is that. 😞
As I said above– Is that it, is that really the best you can manage?
I’ll tell you what’s sad.
When you once again defend/deny yet another eventual rollback from keef.
And you ONLY voted for him because he was “best of a bad bunch” lest we forget.
From being part of a “bad bunch” to papal infallibility – bordering on deification – in even less time than it takes the oleaginous, multi-faceted Rubik’s cube head to welsh on a commitment/pledge/promise.
But in fairness you voted Corbyn TWICE, didn’t ya?
The same Corbyn you’ve done nothing but castigate because keef doesn’t like him.
You fickle fool.
But back to topic.
Is keef correct to accept filthy lucre from those who prey on the least well-off?
Of course he is. He gets a free pass for writing on the murdochs,nevermind not prosecuting saviles, nevermind defaulting on the ten pledges he made to con his way to the fuhrership. Or allowing children to go without a meal at school, ffs.
No. As long as it garners him a few toerag votes (and a few defective toerag MPs) keef can do as he pleases.
Scruples? WTF are they? 😕
Keef gets ratty Toffee…..
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/10/08/exclusive-no-denial-from-labour-that-starmer-fing-moron-recording-real/
Really❓🤔
https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2023/10/08/starmer-abuse-audio-was-a-deepfake-according-to-french-news-agency/
Herr Flick
The abuse of a 16 year old intern does not bode well for the heat of a GE
He has Theresa May and Neil Kinnock written all over him
Is it possible the War Criminal might have him replaced
Doug – Have you read this?
https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2023/10/08/starmer-abuse-audio-was-a-deepfake-according-to-french-news-agency/
Doug, SirKidHarmer is getting ratty because he knows Labour’s vote share in every ballot held since he took over has reduced and is reducing at an alarming rate……
Verbally abusing 16 yr old kids, just shows him up for what he is.
baz2001 – You might have had a point if the audio clip wasn’t a fake.
Mmmn…
You might have had a point if the audio clip wasn’t a fake.
Ok. Who made it? You?
I’ll guarantee that if it IS real, keef had backup when he launched into his hissy fit.
No way would he do it on his own.
And I always thought he fearlessly prosecuted terrorists and dangerous, violent criminals (stop laughing at the back). People you’d expect to be REAL badasses.
So if a softly-spoken female senior citizen can leave him dumbstruck and paralysed in abject terror with a mere few home truths…
I’m not arsed wither it’s real or not. It doesn’t change the fact that keef’s a dullard with a backbone made of custard.
But I know what isn’t fake.
https://youtu.be/FdP8ki9RMOk?feature=shared
The yardstick by which to measure the fortitude and integrity of the milksop.
Toffee – “I’m not arsed wither it’s real or not.”
I wonder why nobody is surprised by this revelation.😔
And you’ve asked who to find that out? 🤔
According to yesterday’s Observer, Starmer has suggested that Sunak should block Liz Truss as a candidate. She is the reason for Labour’s commanding lead in the opinion polls.
You would think he would show some gratitude.
Starmer has suggested that Sunak should block Liz Truss as a candidate.
…And allow keef to welcome the unhinged, gormless coo into his clique with open arms.
(Smeller Greasy would prefer hancock, of course, although it appears he’s become another publicity seeking tv whore, a-la weird Ed balls).
Off Topic: ‘Sir Keir Deepfake Starmer’. No disrespect to his deceased father, but ‘Keir Deepfake’ scans better than ‘Keir Rodney’.
If he had a tin, that’s exactly what it would say on it: “Sir Keir DEEPFAKE Starmer, by appointment to….blah blah, blah”.
So much for conference:being sovereign only when it is sitting”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67056005.amp
Labour’s leadership has lost a showdown over the party’s approach to nationalising critical infrastructure.
Delegates voted for a motion, proposed by Labour’s largest backer, the union Unite, to “reaffirm” the party’s commitment to public ownership of railways and the energy industry.
Labour must “make different choices”, Unite’s general secretary said.
Party sources said the proposals are unlikely to get into Labour’s next manifesto.
The shadow business secretary Jonathan Reynolds told the BBC: “We’re not going to nationalise the energy system.”
Asked if they would follow the vote, he said: “No.”
What’s the fooking point of that shower of pricks
Seriously, what IS the point of them?
Toffee – Which parts of the energy sector do you they want to nationalise, how much will it cost and how would it improve things for the consumer?
And before the caprine-copulating, would-be child harmer says anything else…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/labourlist.org/2023/10/labour-annual-conference-how-works-votes-policy-motions-debates/%3famp
Policy-making
Conference has a sovereign policy in determining Labour’s policy agenda. The 2023 Labour Party Conference is probably the last policy-making conference before a General Election. The priorities ballot sees delegates vote on the policy motions submitted by CLPs, trade unions and affiliates that have been approved by the Conference Arrangements Committee (CAC)
Not only did they ignore the wishes of the unions at the NPF, they’ve also fooked off unions and members at conference.
It is demonstrably NOT – and has NOT been since they were taken in by smarmer – a democratic party. It is an autocracy.
Be careful what you wish for, eh, wee noncecase.
Toffee – Did you read the rest of the page?🤔